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#1 Little Fingers

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 12:32 AM

Let me prefice this topic by saying that I am about 820 pages into AFFC which makes me fully aware that this question could be answered later in the book. So here's my question: why was Catelyn brought back and what will be her ultimate purpose? Is it revenge against the Frey's? Does it have anything to do with her remaining children in some way? A couple of people that I talk to have voiced similar questions. Just wondering what everyone thought. Thanks! :)

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:14 PM

There is seldom a "reason" for the personnel decisions in these books. And, there is no apparent "reason" for this either.

It is just something weird that happened.

#3 Feather Crystal

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:51 PM

I thought Beric Dondarrion's reasoning was two-fold: 1) He wanted to stay dead, but felt someone needed to go on in his stead, and 2) He was sent on a mission by Ned and Catelyn was his wife, so perhaps he felt she would continue the mission?

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:58 PM

To show that sometimes, dead is better (see pet semetary).

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 02:07 PM

1) Beric wanted to stay dead.

2) As Thoros said, all men are monsters. 3 years of atrocious war for the Riverlands, it's not about following the king's orders, or protecting the smallfolk. It's about killing as much ennemy as you can, because you feel like it. unCat is a two legged symbolism.

3) Obviously, to put R'hllor soldiers on the field but not with Stannis. The BWB will probably clash with the newly armed Faith in near future. After all, the High Septon outlawed Stannis for following a red demon.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 10:12 PM

I was so excited to see her back....I think that Catelyn was one of the amazing women in this story that was strong and willful....to see her go was a sad time. Maybe being a woman I realated to her being a woman in a mans world.......but I was happy to see her back getting revenge for her part in this game of thrones....the Starks were, for the most part, playing the game correctly (with honor) and they got shamboozled.....I am glad to see her gettting revenge on the Freys and whoever else had a hand in the bloody wedding!!!

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 10:41 AM

I think it was a mix of old loyalty in Beric, as well as passing on his 'legacy' with the outlaws. She has a much more terrifying reason for revenge, and the outlaws have a much bigger presence with a leader that everyone KNOWS has died. Berec was only BELIEVED to be dead (well, he did die, but not in front of enough people).

#8 Arya Mormont

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 08:19 PM

To show a "rebirth" of the same Tully values with a different moral compass.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 08:35 PM

Catlyn was brought back to kiss the feet of Jon Snow, who reunites her with her surviving children. Jon then crowns her "Mother of the Others". Oh and to make it sweet, she falls in love and marries a Frey.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 08:55 PM

i wish i knew. having her exist just for vengeance seems like such a horrible way to wind up. i'm not a big fan of the undead. not at all.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 05:42 AM

It's fantastically creepy and awesome, that's why.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 09:32 PM

It's an easy but powerful way to show the opposite side of the moral spectrum.

#13 Lime Zaro Lime

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 08:32 AM

George is a closet Zombie lover?

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 03:50 PM

I think it was an unexpected but amazing twist.
This character is... cool. But I find her existence itself it's very depressing.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 07:32 AM

I think that Lord Berric brought her back, not because he wanted to stay dead (although that could be a by product) but so she can serve as a symbol of the "Outlaws". Mainly because she was the victim of such a horrendous crime (the Laws of Hospitality) and the fact she was quite a strong figure in life.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 08:12 AM

I was hoping Catelyn gets to see her children. N for that reason Im glad she's back.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 09:34 AM

She has continually had things not go right for her. I think it was as has been said to allow her some vengeance.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:25 AM

A combination of factors. Mostly, it was an attempt from Beric to find his deserved peace with at least a chance of not failing his sworn duties.

But it was also a failure of his in evaluating the moral compass of his companions, as well as the trauma on Catelyn.

From a meta perspective, it is also a further opportunity to illustrate moral corruption and the nature of evil.

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Posted 17 January 2013 - 07:08 PM

Awesome and unexpected. I like how it also demonstrates the randomness of magic and power. So many characters do not believe strongly in the gods, and the gods do not answer many prayers or seem to be very real. So the rarity of Catelyn's re-existence makes it very special and powerful. But oh so sad, to be so horrible looking and now a heart of stone.

Remembering that Beric and Thoros themselves did not really know how this magic/power worked, but that it simply worked through them makes it that much cooler.

Catelyn's worst crime was hating Jon unnecessarily and perhaps that is something she needs to rectify through this new existence, as well as her vengeance. I just wish she knew some of her children were alive!!! (I am halfway thru FOCs - don't tell me anything! :drunk: )

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 07:03 AM

Dondarrion though he lived enough, so he gave Catelyn a chance to get what she couldn't, mostly revenge.
Why Catelyn ? Maybe Arya convinced him to do so or maybe was it something he swore to do to Ned, in case she dies, or most likely, he just wanted to give life to someone who deserves a second chance, especially the Starks.

What could she choose to accomplish after her return ?
1) Love Jon Snow... That was Robb's wish afterall
2) Revenge against House Bolton and Frey
3) Hunt Jaime down
4) "Hurt" Littlefinger (he betrayed her husband, he holds the vales and her daughter)

Personally, I think she was quite stupid before her death so she won't be any smarter after...

Edited by wael, 18 January 2013 - 07:36 AM.