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[Ferrum Aeternum]

UT posts a Craigslist ad for its head coaching position.

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If your father was once a prominent football coach that is HUGE for us!  We actually hired an unproven clown simply because his father used to be a good coach TWICE! TWO TIMES!

[lockesnow]

Any chance of USC hiring away Mason from Stanford for DC?

[kalbear]

So, any domers care to talk about this wonderfulness?

Summary: two ND players likely raped and harrassed a young woman and student at ND who ended up killing herself.

[kairparavel]

Am I mistaken in feeling like this Heisman class seems underwhelming compared to recent years, like the best of an ok bunch?

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kairparavel, on 08 December 2012 - 02:39 PM, said:

Am I mistaken in feeling like this Heisman class seems underwhelming compared to recent years, like the best of an ok bunch?

Manziel had a pretty incredible season.  I don't feel like the other two candidates really belong there, though.

ETA: My main beef is with Te'o being there.  He's being rewarded for Notre Dame's undefeatedness and his "compelling story."  There are defensive players every year who have stats and performances comparable to his who don't get invited to the Heisman ceremony.  Barner or Marquise Lee should be there instead.

Edited by Ferrum Aeternum, 08 December 2012 - 03:02 PM.

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Ferrum Aeternum, on 08 December 2012 - 02:56 PM, said:

Manziel had a pretty incredible season.  I don't feel like the other two candidates really belong there, though.

ETA: My main beef is with Te'o being there.  He's being rewarded for Notre Dame's undefeatedness and his "compelling story."  There are defensive players every year who have stats and performances comparable to his who don't get invited to the Heisman ceremony.  Barner or Marquise Lee should be there instead.

I kind of feel the same way about Te'o too. As for Manziel, he had a great season but he had two losses and didn't play so hot in either of them. I feel like a lot of the wind this season has been sucked out by the Notre Dame story and their 'relevance' once more. I was just wondering if my feelings on that clouded my views on the Heisman candidates. I think part yes, and part no. I still feel like they don't compare to some of their predecessors. But that's me simply feeling and not viewing pure facts.

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Edited by kairparavel, 08 December 2012 - 03:07 PM.

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kairparavel, on 08 December 2012 - 03:07 PM, said:

I kind of feel the same way about Te'o too. As for Manziel, he had a great season but he had two losses and didn't play so hot in either of them. I feel like a lot of the wind this season has been sucked out by the Notre Dame story and their 'relevance' once more. I was just wondering if my feelings on that clouded my views on the Heisman candidates. I think part yes, and part no. I still feel like they don't compare to some of their predecessors. But that's me simply feeling and not viewing pure facts.

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Manziel played really well against Florida in the first half, but got shut down in the second half (fwiw, so did every other QB Florida played).  Numbers-wise he was still better than any QB facing the UF defense this year, and that was in his first collegiate game.

He did in fact play like crap against LSU with the 3 picks.  Still, two losses to top 10 caliber programs isn't bad.  Certainly better losses than Klein's awful performance at the hands of Baylor's horrifically bad defense.

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On another topic, Tommy Tuberville forsook Texas Tech today for...Cincinnati?  I don't think money was a factor.  The linked article incorrectly lists Tub's salary at $300K per year (other sources have him listed at $2 million, which makes more sense).  

What's especially bothersome about this is that apparently Tuberville again accepted another program's offer without telling his AD or players he was leaving.  This is the same thing he did at Ole Miss in '98, after infamously stating two days previously that he would only leave Oxford "in a pine box."  Leaving for Auburn was understandable, but his methods left a lot to be desired.  Now he does it again and it seems a very odd choice.  Cincinnati is in Big East limbo right now and could very well get left out in the cold as the conferences realign.

[Greywolf2375]

And Manziel wins it.

http://www.cbssports...ning-2012-award

[Mike]

Ferrum Aeternum, on 08 December 2012 - 07:34 PM, said:

On another topic, Tommy Tuberville forsook Texas Tech today for...Cincinnati?  I don't think money was a factor.  The linked article incorrectly lists Tub's salary at $300K per year (other sources have him listed at $2 million, which makes more sense).  

What's especially bothersome about this is that apparently Tuberville again accepted another program's offer without telling his AD or players he was leaving.  This is the same thing he did at Ole Miss in '98, after infamously stating two days previously that he would only leave Oxford "in a pine box."  Leaving for Auburn was understandable, but his methods left a lot to be desired.  Now he does it again and it seems a very odd choice.  Cincinnati is in Big East limbo right now and could very well get left out in the cold as the conferences realign.

Not that Tuberville is a saint or anything (his agent would float CTT to wherever rumors every offseason to jack up his contract), but the big rumor going around for the last two or three months is that Texas Tech is enamored with Kliff Kingsbury and were looking for a way to get rid of Tuberville so they could make a run at the Texas A&M OC that looks eerily like Ryan Gosling. If that is true then maybe CTT just beat them to the punch.

[Rhom]

Mike, on 09 December 2012 - 06:15 PM, said:

Not that Tuberville is a saint or anything (his agent would float CTT to wherever rumors every offseason to jack up his contract), but the big rumor going around for the last two or three months is that Texas Tech is enamored with Kliff Kingsbury and were looking for a way to get rid of Tuberville so they could make a run at the Texas A&M OC that looks eerily like Ryan Gosling. If that is true then maybe CTT just beat them to the punch.

It feels a bit early for Kingsbury to sit in the big boy chair... And I'd like to see his offense without the Heisman winner before I dub him a complete offensive übermensch.  That said, I was on board with rumors of his consideration for the Kentucky job.

Willie Taggart left WKU for South Florida and rumors in Bowling Green have the Toppers looking at Petrino.  That'd be a humongous step down for him, but a rehab has to start somewhere.

[Triskele]

Kair - I would completely agree.  I don't even think Collin Klein is that good.

Manziel had the numbers, but he had a couple of big hits against his resume.  Now of course he has still put together a mighty fine season, but where I agree is that I think someone else would have taken the trophy over him in most years.

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Mike, on 09 December 2012 - 06:15 PM, said:

Not that Tuberville is a saint or anything (his agent would float CTT to wherever rumors every offseason to jack up his contract), but the big rumor going around for the last two or three months is that Texas Tech is enamored with Kliff Kingsbury and were looking for a way to get rid of Tuberville so they could make a run at the Texas A&M OC that looks eerily like Ryan Gosling. If that is true then maybe CTT just beat them to the punch.

Could be.  

For what it's worth, I got to meet Tubs at an Ole Miss pre-season Alumni event back in '97 and he was a super nice guy.  Actually my favorite Ole Miss coach until Freeze (I've met them all since Brewer).  Could have been the salesman act but he pulled it off well, if so.

[Rhom]

Bobby Petrino officially announced as WKU coach today.  My brother is a chiropractor in Bowling Green... he's hopeful for Petrino as a patient following another Harley accident!  

[Triskele]

And San Jose's coach is going to Colorado.  The guy did a pretty quick turnaround job at SJSU, but Colorado is really wrecked right now.

[Rhom]

Triskele, on 10 December 2012 - 04:41 PM, said:

And San Jose's coach is going to Colorado.  The guy did a pretty quick turnaround job at SJSU, but Colorado is really wrecked right now.

Yeah, MacIntyre was rumored for the Kentucky job at one point.

Question for you left coast types... why is Colorado such a dumpster fire?  It seems like it should have everything it needs to be successful from a (far) outsider's prospective.  It certainly has more history than several schools currently with a higher profile.  Are there institutional/political hurdles that have to be overcome?

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Rhom, on 10 December 2012 - 04:53 PM, said:

Yeah, MacIntyre was rumored for the Kentucky job at one point.

Question for you left coast types... why is Colorado such a dumpster fire?  It seems like it should have everything it needs to be successful from a (far) outsider's prospective.  It certainly has more history than several schools currently with a higher profile.  Are there institutional/political hurdles that have to be overcome?

It's a good question, though they're new to our conference way out west.

I don't think that Gary Barnett was a very good coach for them (they had their one really strong finish year beating Nebraska and Texas before getting destroyed themselves by Harrington's Oregon team).  But they've been pretty weak ever since then.

They don't lack history, they are in a really solid college town that's near a big city, and they're near enough to Texas and California to presumably get their share of recruits from those places (and a few decent in-state players).  I think that sometimes a program just loses its momentum/mojo, and that could be the case here, but I'd be happy to hear if anyone has more of an explanation as to the underlying causes.

[Ken Stone]

RE: Colorado

Colorado used to be Nebraska's bitch and when they left the Big 12 football lost all meaning for them.

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Rhom, on 10 December 2012 - 04:38 PM, said:

Bobby Petrino officially announced as WKU coach today.  My brother is a chiropractor in Bowling Green... he's hopeful for Petrino as a patient following another Harley accident!  

Interesting he picked WKU over the other available jobs he was recently rumored to be in the running for (Arkansas St and Southern Miss).  A year ago I'd have figured him a lock for USM over the other two, but that was before Ellis Jonnson drove that program so deep into the ground they could've played home games in China.

Colorado's recent failures confuse me too.  Sometimes a succession of bad coaching hires can do that to a program.  I hope McIntyre can get their fortunes turned around.

Edited by Ferrum Aeternum, 10 December 2012 - 05:38 PM.

[Bronn Stone]

Football had lost its meaing in Boulder long before either Nebraska or Colorado contemplated leaving the Big 12.

I'd say they suffer from the general problems you see in the West.  They share their metro area with an NFL team, and one with a better history of success.  The state has huge amounts of turnover as people from other places keep coming in and pricing out the old-timers.  The Big 12 only had legs in Texas for a decade or so and now they play in a league where players from Southern California will be guaranteed a trip home to play in front of their friends and family every year.  I think the program is ripe for a turnaround and MacIntyre might be the man for it.