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[Rune Targaryen]

I see a question on another tread and got me thinking.
I assume that no one on the NW knows about the black gate anymore, besides Sam, but how did Sam explain how he get to this side of the wall?
Or after he leaded Bran to ColdHands did Sam continued on the north side until he find some NW? Is this explained on the books?

[Clariana]

MtnLion, on 21 December 2012 - 06:38 PM, said:

She is a Lady of a great House in the north, and as such will be familiar with all of the houses' colors, mottos, and lords.

Just re-read this scene today.  I would add that Roose was sitting next to Catelyn at the high table. He excuses himself to go to the privy.  Then he reappears fully clad in black armour and plunges a sword through the already gravely injured Robb so yeah, Catelyn would be pretty clear it was Roose, that may have been the point, the Boltons getting one up over the Starks once again.

[Clariana]

I have a question. Early in the red wedding chapter Roose reminds Walder Frey that his two grandsons, both also named Walder, are in the charge of his bastard Ramsey... Why would he think it necessary to do that?  I can't believe that Walder Frey vicious SOB that he is, would falter in his resolve or need reminding on that count... Was it just Roose saying "you're getting one over the Starks, I have the potential to get one over you"?

[eddard of the house stark]

Clariana, on 27 December 2012 - 06:50 AM, said:

Was it just Roose saying "you're getting one over the Starks, I have the potential to get one over you"?

Yes, it was exactly that.

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Bolton had made a toast to Lord Walder’s grandsons when the wedding feast began, pointedly mentioning that Walder and Walder were in the care of his bastard son. From the way the old man had squinted at him, his mouth sucking at the air, Catelyn knew he had heard the unspoken threat.

[Clariana]

It occurs to me that if the shit hit the fan over the red wedding in the north and rumours started to circulate that Roose was involved then he could execute the kids (or something) just to prove that he was as indignant as the rest of them with the Frey's reprehensible behaviour.

[TheCrannogDweller]

I don't think that Lord Frey, having so many descendants, puts much value on any one or two of them.

[Clariana]

TheCrannogDweller, on 27 December 2012 - 07:51 AM, said:

I don't think that Lord Frey, having so many descendants, puts much value on any one or two of them.

Ah, that is true, he virtually rolls his eyes when Catelyn threatens Jingle, "A son for a grandson, you mean? He wasn't worth much anyway..."

[Rune Targaryen]

Clariana, on 27 December 2012 - 08:04 AM, said:

Ah, that is true, he virtually rolls his eyes when Catelyn threatens Jingle, "A son for a grandson, you mean? He wasn't worth much anyway..."

But that is because Jingles is simpleminded.
And Walter probably doesn't care much about the gandsons but he would care about the insult on his house (if Roose killed his grandsons).

[Clariana]

Of course.  The low value attributed to those suffering from disabilities.

Probably right.  Pater Frey does seem to be an over-sexualised psychopath one of the reasons he and Roose seem to understand each other so well?

Edited by Clariana, 27 December 2012 - 09:01 AM.

[authgoe]

Is there any hint that Aegon can withstand fire the same way Dany can?

How can the dragon have three heads if only one of them can ride them? Snow clearly gets burned so he's off the race...

Edited by authgoe, 27 December 2012 - 09:03 AM.

[eddard of the house stark]

authgoe, on 27 December 2012 - 09:03 AM, said:

Is there any hint that Aegon can withstand fire the same way Dany can?

How can the dragon have three heads if only one of them can ride them? Snow clearly gets burned so he's off the race...

This might be relevant: http://asoiaf.wester...misconceptions/

[authgoe]

Hmm thanks for the hint.

But dany is at leasy fireproof twice in the books: during the birth of the dragons and in the pit in mereen. I'm not sure if there are other situations in GoT because now I'm confused with the series and all those scenes of the hot water and when Dorea gets burned on the egg.

Moreover, when she mounts the dragon she says that it is hot. There is no clue that it is hotter than a normal human would endure but I'm guessing that if you're normal and riding a big dragon when it breathes fire it gets very very hot (heat goes up, not down...).

Viserys wasn't fireproof. Definetly. But I don't think that all Targaryens would be fireproof. It may be a wrong notion, but the bloodline seems to start decaying right from Aegon the Conqueror and there have been other Targaryes at lease devoured by dragons and surely killed by wildfire.

Even if GRRM isn't planning to stick with the Dany-fireproof-trait he already gave a couple of big steps in that direction.

[Summer is Ending]

Rune Targaryen, on 27 December 2012 - 05:40 AM, said:

I see a question on another tread and got me thinking.
I assume that no one on the NW knows about the black gate anymore, besides Sam, but how did Sam explain how he get to this side of the wall?
Or after he leaded Bran to ColdHands did Sam continued on the north side until he find some NW? Is this explained on the books?

He considered Sam again. “I am told that you and this wildling girl passed beneath the Wall, through some magic gate.”
“The B-black Gate,” Sam stammered. “Below the Nightfort.”
“The Nightfort is the largest and oldest of the castles on the Wall,” the king said. “That is where I intend to make my seat, whilst I fight this war. You will show me this gate.”
“I,” said Sam, “I w-will, if . . .” If it is still there. If it will open for a man not of the black. If . . .
“You will,” snapped Stannis. “I shall tell you when.”

[mushroomshirt]

Which house's arms are displayed on the upper left of GRRM's website http://georgerrmartin.com/? ("Life and Times" link)

It looks like a sword crossed with a shooting star.  Is it house Tarth?

Thanks!

[Zupoleon]

mushroomshirt, on 27 December 2012 - 10:55 AM, said:

Which house's arms are displayed on the upper left of GRRM's website http://georgerrmartin.com/? ("Life and Times" link)

It looks like a sword crossed with a shooting star.  Is it house Tarth?

Thanks!

That's House Dayne (of Starfall).  Hence the "falling star"...

[Starkley]

Summer is Ending, on 26 December 2012 - 09:01 PM, said:

The Kingsguard has been around for like three hundred years. That's the equivelant of a man of the Night's Watch stepping out for a piss. They had exactly one regime change in that time and the Targs didn't make up their traditions expecting failure.

4) Does the oath of a Kingsguard include to serve _whoever_ is the king, even if the new king rebelled against the old one, or did Jaime and Barristan _choose_ to continue their service as Robert was crowned?

The oaths did not envision rebellion, actually. Robert pardoned Barristan and Jaime, and they accepted the pardon and continued to serve.
http://www.westeros..../The_Kingsguard

Thanks. Went and read the SSM. Just makes me wonder who will be left to serve in the KG when all the dust settles.

[authgoe]

Jaime Goldenhand as the bold LC of course

[RumHam]

authgoe, on 27 December 2012 - 10:17 AM, said:

Hmm thanks for the hint.

But dany is at leasy fireproof twice in the books: during the birth of the dragons and in the pit in mereen. I'm not sure if there are other situations in GoT because now I'm confused with the series and all those scenes of the hot water and when Dorea gets burned on the egg.

Only once.  In the pit in Mereen she's only exposed to hot air, not fire.  She also burns her hand on the spear she pulls out of Drogon and later remarks about the blisters from the burn.

[MtnLion]

authgoe, on 27 December 2012 - 10:17 AM, said:

Hmm thanks for the hint.

But dany is at leasy fireproof twice in the books: during the birth of the dragons and in the pit in mereen. I'm not sure if there are other situations in GoT because now I'm confused with the series and all those scenes of the hot water and when Dorea gets burned on the egg.

Moreover, when she mounts the dragon she says that it is hot. There is no clue that it is hotter than a normal human would endure but I'm guessing that if you're normal and riding a big dragon when it breathes fire it gets very very hot (heat goes up, not down...).

Viserys wasn't fireproof. Definetly. But I don't think that all Targaryens would be fireproof. It may be a wrong notion, but the bloodline seems to start decaying right from Aegon the Conqueror and there have been other Targaryes at lease devoured by dragons and surely killed by wildfire.

Even if GRRM isn't planning to stick with the Dany-fireproof-trait he already gave a couple of big steps in that direction.

I really like the idea of needing to be fireproof to ride a dragon, my mind races at the idea of naked women riding dragons, since clothing is definitely not fireproof.  But, sincery, read A Dance with Dragons, Daenerys burns her hand, she is not fireproof.

[authgoe]

Ok then. Thanks for the enlightnment. Didn't remember her getting burned on the spear in ADwD and I thought she had been hit by the fire, not just hot air.