Re-reading Thoen/Reek, what's Ramsey done?
Posted 15 May 2013 - 11:09 PM
Posted 16 May 2013 - 08:50 PM
[WARNING: really nasty thought coming up. Its why I'm putting it behind a spoiler tag:]
The way GRRM portrays it is psychodrama. Not only do you KNOW that he's been unmanned, but you are also confronted with the impact it has upon him psychologically - so deep that he can't even THINK it to himself. ALL the allusions to this are of course from the Reek POV, but it's just too traumatic for him to confront. His very thinking is full of little tricks of avoidance. It's very powerful but subtle writing.
Posted 16 May 2013 - 11:41 PM
A couple points/theories about Theon's torture.
This builds off Sweet-n-sourRobin's post about the 4 strips of skins but only 3 missing fingers, so read that first if you haven't. I think that theory is correct, but as horrific as it is, I think what Ramsay has done to Theon is even worse. This is not for the faint of heart, so you’ve been warned.
Recall the method of Theon's mutilation, particularly the severed fingers and toes. Ramsay would skin the digit, then leave it to fester. The festered finger or toe kept Theon in constant, agonizing pain, yet Ramsay would leave the digit, basically letting it rot away on Theon's hand or foot. Ramsay would end the pain by cutting off the body part, but only once Theon begged him to.
Now, apply this method to Theon's genitalia. Not only did Ramsay flay Theon's manhood, but left it to fester until Theon begged Ramsay to cut it off.
Also, I don't think Theon has been castrated. I think Ramsay took Theon's member, but left his testicles. This is another form of psychological torture. By leaving his testicles, Theon would still experience sexual urges, but would never have a way to satisfy them.
This may have been hinted at in the chapter where Ramsay is to bed the fake Arya (Jeyne Poole, if memory serves). Ramsay wants Theon to "get her ready." Theon is confused by this, because he doesn't have a penis, but Ramsay tells him to use his mouth. Ramsay knows that a part of Theon is desirous of Jeyne, which amuses the Bastard since Theon can't act on the urge. This reinforces the duality of Theon's current existance, as both Reek and the Prince of the Iron Islands.
I';m re-reading all the books now. If there's evidence to support or refute these theories, I'll post it here.
I look forward to your comments!
Edited by slimity, 16 May 2013 - 11:44 PM.
Posted 17 May 2013 - 12:18 AM
Monopoly at your house must get fucked up
Posted 17 May 2013 - 08:45 AM
I'm kind of really annoyed they showed it in the tv series, it really lacked subtlety. I liked the fact that it was ambiguous in the books.
Posted 22 May 2013 - 05:14 PM
That would fit Ramsay's twisted outlook on everything. But still, to flay Theon's member and leave it to rot sounds way too over the top, though.
Edited by Sun Priest, 22 May 2013 - 05:15 PM.
Posted 22 May 2013 - 06:38 PM
If anything I was hoping he'd be put of his misery for good, but it looks like he's going to outlast everyone, hoping for death and not daring to meet it
Yeah, I had a hard time getting to the place where I felt sorry for Theon. What happened to him was horrid, but so were the things he did to the people of Winterfell, to say nothing of what he did specifically to Bran, Rickon, Maester Luwin, etc. And we know what the punishment is for treason, to start with...). I did get there, though, between the scene with him under the Weirwood tree and his rescue of Jeyne. With the beginning of TWOW, though, his situation still doesn't look too good.
Edited by lostinwesteros, 22 May 2013 - 06:42 PM.