Sophelia, on 13 December 2012 - 03:24 AM, said:
All I could think of was competitiveness, but he was also talking about the importance of 'being a team' in the same conversation, so that didn't seem to fit together. If you have a moment, Datepalm, what do you mean by 'catering for ego'
Good question, because I have no idea...I suppose I meant something like, y'know, everyone stepping back and acknowledging how awesome some (male type) one is and just letting them got on with their job, dammit, this is important! (Because, you know, your data entry job is just like being in a bad cop show.)
You know, (and I do apologize for dragging the thread away from urinations jokes. No really.) I worked at a place for a while that had something like an explicitely not-male-values code. It was the 'social involvement' office at the university. Like 80% female, very academic, very pretentious, etc. We'd have 'consensus circles' and 'personal reflection talks' (instead of, y'know, "meetings".) and so on, and in some ways it was unbearably twee and a nails-on-blackboard work atmosphere, not to mention chaotic and badly administered (I think the woolly 'feminism' was a symptom of the same incompetencies rather than one being causal of the other though).
One guy at one point lost it and went so far as to write an email to the whole team saying that he felt 'castrated', and to be honest, I could totally sympathize. There were some interesting ideas there and stuff I liked that they tried
to do with heirarchy and dialogue and so on, but they really insisted on framing it as somehow a gender thing, ("Your insistence on a course of action to be implemented effectively is a product of a patriarchial need to dominate the conversation, John. I would like you to think about that as you process the experience of being the only male in the circle",) which pretty naturally alienated the men (and the rest of us too.) "Male values" seems like the other side of that coin - the poor wimminz who have to sit in their circles and have their hand held because they can't possibly make decisions
on their own, and the men who must be released to roam free through the plastic plants and cubicle walls to hunt down their quarterly project goals in primal splendour etc. Basically, gender essentialism = dumbass.
ETA - oh, teams, that works too, no? Sacred male bonding vs. those bitchy women. There is no way this stuff doesn't work. Everything
can be a male value somehow if you feel like it, once you start splitting things up like that.
Edited by Datepalm, 13 December 2012 - 04:25 AM.