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[Howdyphillip]

Myshkin, on 05 January 2013 - 05:56 PM, said:

Since when are tour musician considered band members?  Are studio musicians also considered band members?  Is Eric Clapton a member of the Beatles?

I agree with you in principle, but in Pat Smear's case, he was actually invited in the band by Kurt, and he is recorded on three albums (if you include the compilation.) I think it is pretty safe to say that he was a member of the band in his particular case.

[Myshkin]

Howdyphillip, on 05 January 2013 - 07:09 PM, said:

I agree with you in principle, but in Pat Smear's case, he was actually invited in the band by Kurt, and he is recorded on three albums (if you include the compilation.) I think it is pretty safe to say that he was a member of the band in his particular case.

Was he paid by the band, or did he earn with the band?

[Howdyphillip]

Myshkin, on 05 January 2013 - 10:07 PM, said:

Was he paid by the band, or did he earn with the band?

He earned a touring share when he toured with them from what I understand. That is probably why he was fired. As he did not write any songs, he of course received no royalties. Cobain himself considered him a member of the band.

[Keep Shelly in Athens]

couple of things:

-Pat is a punk icon, rather than Nirvana doing him a favor, he was doing Nirvana favor by giving them more punk cred.
-Pat wasn't fired from Nirvana
-He wasn't just a random guitarist. He played 50+ shows with them and recorded Do Re Mi with Kurt and Eric Erlandson.
-If MTV would ever release the fantastic Live and Loud performance on DVD, that would be another credit to Pat like Unplugged
-Kurt said in an interview that Nirvana was meant to be a four piece. They tried it with Jason Everyman in the Bleach era and Pat in the In Utero era
-Quote from Pat on writing for the next record: "The only thing that I knew about the next record was that Kurt was writing for it and he'd mentioned some ideas about it's direction. He sometimes asked me to help him write while we were touring Europe, but it was really intimidating for me and it was impossible for us to get acoustic guitars for our rooms. I told him how good Dave's tapes were (early Foo Fighters songs) and that he should write with him, but I don't know if he ever had the chance to ask him. How good would that have been?!" (I know, Pat, I know, like... Lennon/McCartney-good)
-Diehard Nirvana fans will savage anyone who insists that Pat didn't belong on stage with Dave and Krist (aka "the surviving members") at the Sandy benefit. But I'll go one farther and say that if they had to do a "surviving member" thing, put Dave on lead/vox, Krist on bass, Pat on guitar, and Chad on drums

Edited by Keep Shelly in Athens, 06 January 2013 - 12:02 AM.