Stannis, Aegon,Daenrerys and the throne

[A Dance With Daario]

The only claim he has to it is his sword;

The succession goes:

Aegon (if he is real)

Daenerys

Stannis

People have said that the targaryen's salic/agnatic primogeniture mean's daenerys cannot have the throne, however, it also means that ​people with patriarchal descendant have higher claims that matriarchal one's.

The only known targaryen blood in the baratheons are ory's, who was Aegon I bastard brother (no claim, not legitimate)

and his grandmother (matriarchal).

Would be intresting to see people's opinion's

P.S: this thread is about who has the strongest claim by law, if someone so much as mentions that sword's give people a claim ... then may the seven protect them.

[The Dornishman's Wife]

The only claim he has to it is his sword;

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P.S: this thread is about who has the strongest claim by law, if someone so much as mentions that sword's give people a claim ... then may the seven protect them.

May the seven protect you.

[E-Ro]

Here from ssm:

I told George that when he changed Viserys I from a son to a brother he created an error in that Baelor's sisters did not inherit the throne after him, George replied that women came after all men in the Targaryen succession after TDWD. Something interesting and neatly explains Daena and the rest not becoming queen.

http://www.westeros....CA_July_20_232/

There's also the fact Prince Daeron's daughter was passed over and there has never been a ruling Targaryen queen.

Also from the wiki: Since the Dance, House Targaryen has practiced a highly modified version of agnatic primogeniture, placing female claimants in the line of succession behind all possible male ones, even collateral relations.

http://awoiaf.wester..._of_the_Dragons

[E-Ro]

First aegon(if real) then stannis, then dany.

[Buckwheat]

First Stannis, then Shireen. The Targaryens have no legal claim anymore since Robert has been crowned.

[Bright Blue Eyes]

First aegon(if real) then stannis, then dany.

This.

And only if you consider the Iron Throne as Targaryen property. Otherwise Robert Baratheon is the source, since every single Lord of the Seven Kingdoms swore fealty to him, creating a new dynasty.

[E-Ro]

First Stannis, then Shireen. The Targaryens have no legal claim anymore since Robert has been crowned.

Yes then there is the fact that the house baratheon is ruling. So targ succesion no longer matters.

[The Great Walrus]

First Aegon (if real, that is), Stannis, and then Dany.

[Juli Greyjoy]

The Baratheons conquered the throne, so Stannis has the legal claim, then Shireen.

The Targaryens lost their claim and if one of them wants the throne back, he has to bloody conquer it again.

[Buckwheat]

Yes then there is the fact that the house baratheon is ruling. So targ succesion no longer matters.

Also, the Baratheon rules only in name. The actual ruling (more or less successfully) is done by the Lannisters, the Tyrells, LF and Varys.

[Stannis Gotta Stan]

its funny that the character with the most entitlement issues (Dany) really doesent have any claim to the throne.

[Ponys123]

Targaryen succession matters for exactly jack****. Ever since everyone swore allegiance to Robert, legal claim has to be derived from him, and him alone.

[Lord Varys]

If Aegon is real, he has the best claim of all. He is Aerys's grandson from his eldest son Rhaegar. He was second in line when Rhaegar was still alive, and first in line after Rhaegar died.

Daenerys is next in line, at least in my opinion, since she is the last remaining child from the last Targaryen king.

Stannis comes behind Dany since his claim only comes from a female Targaryen far removed in the line of succession. If women can't inherit, this should also invalidate the claim of the Baratheons until all female Targaryens are dead.

More importantly, from Dany's perspective Robert Baratheon and his kin are traitors who have lost their claim when they rebelled against Robert.

Stannis could argue that his claim is better than Aegon's and Dany's since their family lost the War of the Usurper. But that's not a point a man like Stannis would make in my opinion, since he himself did not accept his defeat either, when King Joffrey smashed his forced on the Blackwater.

But since we are discussing the Targaryen succession here, conquest stuff does not actually matter. Robert Baratheon's legal claim to the Iron Throne came from his Targaryen grandmother Rhaelle. That has been established by GRRM, and has also been used to justify his ascension to the Iron Throne. The Baratheons rule(d) as a cadet branch of House Targaryen. They never considered or styled themselves as a completely new dynasty.

As to the new law of succession after the Dance of Dragons:

The fact that Rhaenyra's eldest surviving son, Aegon III, inherited the Iron Throne after Aegon II died, strongly suggests that whoever decided this did not think the new order through at this point. It's much more likely that King Aegon III eventually issued a decree clarifying the law of succession which eventually enabled Viserys II to succeed Baelor the Blessed. After all, if the male children of Targaryen women do not lose their claims (or don't come afterwards the male children of male cadet branches) then Princess Elaena's sons would have come before Viserys II and Aegon the Unworthy!

[A Dance With Daario]

Here from ssm:

http://www.westeros....CA_July_20_232/

There's also the fact Prince Daeron's daughter was passed over and there has never been a ruling Targaryen queen.

Also from the wiki: Since the Dance, House Targaryen has practiced a highly modified version of agnatic primogeniture, placing female claimants in the line of succession behind all possible male ones, even collateral relations.

http://awoiaf.wester..._of_the_Dragons

The First link does not seem to be working, and the second is very pretty, but agnatic primogeniture classes people who have a claim through a female as "female" contenders, essentialy meaning they have equal rights to the throne...

The current line of Targaryen succession stands like this:

Aegon VI(if real)

Danaerys

Stannis Baratheon

Shireen Baratheon.

Law can be easily twisted to people's ends

[g.o.d]

If Aegon is real, he has the best claim of all. He is Aerys's grandson from his eldest son Rhaegar. He was second in line when Rhaegar was still alive, and first in line after Rhaegar died.

Daenerys is next in line, at least in my opinion, since she is the last remaining child from the last Targaryen king.

actually Aegon or Dany don't have any claim on the iron throne. Targs lost with the Mad King and crowning King Bob. The best claim has now Tommen if the realm will believe he's Baratheon. And if not, the strongest claim has Stannis, Not Dany, not Aeogn or any other Targ

[E-Ro]

The First link does not seem to be working, and the second is very pretty, but agnatic primogeniture classes people who have a claim through a female as "female" contenders, essentialy meaning they have equal rights to the throne...

Also:

This system is still in place, mainly because robert used a taragryen based claim to justify his usurping.

http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/Comic_Con_San_Diego_CA_July_20_232/

Happy?

[A Dance With Daario]

Danke

[Where Boars Glow]

First Stannis, then Shireen. The Targaryens have no legal claim anymore since Robert has been crowned.

You think Shireen will outlive Stannis? She is a tragedy waiting to happen.

[Where Boars Glow]

Also didn't Stannis also kind of lose a war of succession himself?

[A Dance With Daario]

actually Aegon or Dany don't have any claim on the iron throne. Targs lost with the Mad King and crowning King Bob. The best claim has now Tommen if the realm will believe he's Baratheon. And if not, the strongest claim has Stannis, Not Dany, not Aeogn or any other Targ

Except they do, because king bob ascended the throne as a cadet house of the targs, rather than his own dynasty

It's true that female Targayran go after male Targayran in the sucession line, but I don't think they go after cousins through the female line with different surnames.

It would have been idiotic if the Targayrens had made a law that allowed other noble houses to have a better claim than a Targayren princess. What if a Targayren king only has daughters? Is he supposed to give the throne to some second cousin twice removed who happens to have a Targayren great-grandmother?