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#1 ladyofslytherin

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 07:35 AM

I'm sure I'm not alone when I say there are moments in the events of ASoIaF where I wish characters had made a different choice, or that events had been fallen out a little differently. And I'm sure that anyone who has a moment like that also, like me, speculates about how the alternate event or choice might have affected the course of the series.

If you would be so kind, please pick one of your "I wish it'd happened differently" moments and share it. Tell us what you want to have happened instead and how you think it would've changed the series. Big or small, silly or serious. I'd love to see what my fellow fans think!

#2 Gurkhal

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 07:42 AM

I wish that Tyrion did not care about killing Tywin but just went with Varys to ship out of Westeros.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 08:06 AM

I wish that Jon was killed off for real. Shame that it didn't happen.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 08:53 AM

I wish Theon had slit Ramsey's throat on his wedding night when he gave him the dagger, helped Jayne escape, then charged at his guards with the dagger, forcing them to kill him in an heroic finish. Would probably not be great storytelling or fit with the flaws in Theon's character, but still, c'mon, would be so cool.

Actual one for the story and readership enjoyment, I wish Dany had said "oh, fuck Mereen, I'm taking my dragons to Westeros!". I'm bored of waiting for her. I don't care what happens to Mereen, or Yunkai, or Astapor, get to Westeros!

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:07 AM

How do you know Jon isnt dead "for real"....I hope that also. I wish that Stannis won the battle of thw blackwater BUT that the Lannisters won it back.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:12 AM

that Bran had ignored the 3 eyed crow and gone to meet Jon Snow instead

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:13 AM

I wish Walder Frey had been impotent.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:15 AM

I wish Maggi the Plot Device ™ had never existed.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:16 AM

Also that Balon had agreed to ally with Robb and reaved the westerlands rather than the North. Winterfell would not have been sacked and the North and Iron ISlands could very well be independent states again

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:18 AM

Wish that Catelyn had remained dead. That way we'd still have Beric Dondarrion around, Brienne would still be on her quest, Jaime would be able to keep making progress in his redemption and the only price would be a few Freys left alive.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:57 AM

Wish that Catelyn had remained dead. That way we'd still have Beric Dondarrion around, Brienne would still be on her quest, Jaime would be able to keep making progress in his redemption and the only price would be a few Freys left alive.


This. So, so much. When Cat died, I thought "ok, at least I don't have to read about her anymore" - just to have her back even more annoying. Beric would have been much cooler and the resurrection thing wouldn't have gotten that stale.

Then in AFfC. Cersei. I kept thinking "no, no, don't you do that..." like all the time. Qyburn, Lady Stokeworth, dealing with the Tyrells, but most of all in regard what I think will prove to be her most fateful (for the realm) mistake: arming the faith.

Last thing Sansa and Tyrion. Sure, I can absolutely understand Sansa loathe him, especially after the battle at the Blackwater. But she could have shown a little kindness to him, like saying something remotely nice after him making it clear that he wouldn't force himself onto her. Maybe he would not have gone completely over the edge then.

Edited by blackwing, 13 January 2013 - 09:58 AM.


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Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:00 AM

I wish Joffrey could have married Sansa. I wish Ned hadn't been such an awful traitor. I wish Jaime kept boning Cersei. I wish Tommen was never born.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:02 AM

Just about any of the decisions that Ned Stark made. To just pick two -

1. Wish that he had included Loras Tyrell in the band of men he sent to bring Gregor Clegane to justice. I think his
inclusion would have moved the Tyrells to Ned's side and have made it almost impossible for Tywin Lannister to
make an alliance with them.

2. Wish that Ned had listened to Renly when he proposed seizing Cersei's children when Robert was dying. This
would have given him at least a chance of checkmating Cersei's schemes.

#14 The Mountain That Posts

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:03 AM

I wish Jaime kept boning Cersei. I wish Tommen was never born.


CONTRADICTION.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:03 AM

I wish Jeyne Westerling had never happened.

That and Tyrion telling Jaime he killed Joffrey. Why?

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:04 AM

I wish Bran hadn't climbed the tower. He would have been a great knight.

I wish Oberyn hadn't walked into Gregor's reach.

I wish Robb hadn't married Jeyne.

#17 King of the Road

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:09 AM

Jaime telling Tyrion that Tysha was no whore. Some things are best left unsaid with regards to the gang-raping of your brother's wife.

Robb marrying Jeyne Westerling. What a marvellous decision...

Pretty much any political decisions made by Eddard Stark. About as politically savvy as a wrecking ball.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:12 AM

I wish Jeyne Westerling had never happened.


You got your wish at least in the HBO series. I really think GRRM influenced them to make that change to put the whole "Jeyne's hips" issue to bed. There will be no heir to Rob Stark.

Edited by Dogpile, 13 January 2013 - 10:13 AM.


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Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:17 AM

I forgot the most annoying plot point of them all...

"Dany Goes to Essos: The Far-Too-Long Saga In Which Absolutely Nothing Interesting Happens Except the Introduction of Characters Everyone Hates"

#20 Jon Wolfwalker

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:32 AM

I would have liked to have seen Ned present the will before Bob died.