Maithanet, on 21 January 2013 - 03:29 PM, said:
Not to mention a terrible defense (at least for the past two seasons). I'm not saying the Bears are stacked with talent, but they are pretty good in a lot of areas. If you say that the reason that Rodgers and several other quarterbacks have succeeded so much more than Cutler since arriving at Chicago is entirely due to lack of talent...it just doesn't add up.
There are many factors, and I think the major difference between Cutler and Rodgers is that Rodgers has been in the same system since he was drafted. He sat a bench and his only job was to learn their system like the back of his hand before even playing a serious snap.
Cutler excelled under Shanahan, and then had to learn from such offensive stalwarts as Ron Turner, Mike Tice, and 2010 Mike Martz who still thinks it was his system that made the Greatest Show on Turf and not a Hall of Fame QB, RB, WR duo, and LT performing in his system.
And then the lack of talent. Rodgers has an offensive line that is unjustly maligned because he holds onto the ball too much and gets sacked. Cutler has the same problem, but the difference is Rodgers has weapons who make it worth it when he shuffles around and then makes the throw. I think Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, James Jones, and Donald Driver (from last year back) could start on any team in the league. Cutler has had Devin Hester and Johnny Knox, who would be #3s at best on most competitive NFL squads.
Now, Rodgers has definitely made the most of his situation and is an unbelievable QB. Cutler really has not and still falls in the "can be unbelievable" category. The window is definitely starting to close for him. I still love the guy, but with Lovie Smith out there will be a new whipping boy for the blood-thirsty Chicago crowd and that's going to be Cutler from here on out.
Cutler has been average through his tenure with the Bears, but it's not until you see how his backups perform in the offense that you realize accomplishing average has been pretty damned impressive.
Independent George, on 21 January 2013 - 04:02 PM, said:
How the heck do these threads always wind up a referendum on Jay Cutler?
I didn't even start it this time!
kalbear, on 21 January 2013 - 04:10 PM, said:
Brandon Marshall had somewhat better stats this year compared to last year, but only somewhat. And last year he played in Miami, being thrown to by Matt Moore. I just don't see the big improvement that I would like to with Cutler. I don't see Earl Bennett becoming great, or Devin Hester, or even Matt Forte. These guys should be getting better.
Only somewhat? 37 more receptions, a little under 300 more yards, and 5 more touchdowns only qualifies as somewhat?
IMO those guys aren't getting better because they've had Daryl freaking Drake as their position coach their entire careers. How that guy kept a job while the OCs kept rotating is beyond me. He's terrible. And I may be mistaken, but it's not Jay Cutler's job to teach his receivers how to run routes or catch balls, which has been a problem for years.