The Winds of Winter Prologue

[Booknerd2]

And I'm sorry but I am steeling myself now; I was thinking about this all day as I read the threads and posters pondered who is appearing and what will they do, now that we got a little Jeyne and Prologue gift of info.

This could be the first time relatives see what the hell happened to their Catelyn.

Besides thinking, until this piece of news, that Jaime Lannister would be the first person to see her that knew LS before when she was Catelyn, considering him and Brienne are heading in her direction. Meaning after Brienne and Harwin and others who have been with her. We don't even get a reaction from Gendry who knew Arya and now knows what become of her mom. But he was bitter and a bit off in book 4 because has seen so much stuff, he is probably numb by now.

I mean, even the stoic Jaime, already changing himself, and he gets to see what happens to this woman whose many other misfortunes he helped in part to cause. Ok, I already knew he was going to piss his pants before she even rasped out that it was the noose for him. Just by seeing her.

Oh, God….Jeyne and Edmure. Those reactions….I don't even know what to say. If we get to see them, I don't see Edmure taking it well.

And the Blackfish. He loves his niece. I will cringe if we get his reaction, especially if he has already met up with BWB.

[The Crow's Third Eye]

And the Blackfish. He loves his niece. I will cringe if we get his reaction, especially if he has already met up with BWB.

:crying:

Blackfish would be the most difficult reaction to read. I have no doubt that a Tully or a Stark will run into my good Lady at some point though. That's going to be emotional :(

[Victarion Chainbreaker]

:crying:

Blackfish would be the most difficult reaction to read. I have no doubt that a Tully or a Stark will run into my good Lady at some point though. That's going to be emotional :(

"Mom? Is that really you?"

"Where is your wolf, child?"

"I have no wolf. She's.... She's..."

"All my true children have wolves. You must be false. Your lies and betrayal cost you the Stark birthright, so you must not be a true Stark."

"Wait! Stop! What are you doing?"

"Only what you did to my dear husband with your treasons."

"Gurgle."

[HexMachina]

"Mom? Is that really you?"

"Where is your wolf, child?"

"I have no wolf. She's.... She's..."

"All my true children have wolves. You must be false. Your lies and betrayal cost you the Stark birthright, so you must not be a true Stark."

"Wait! Stop! What are you doing?"

"Only what you did to my dear husband with your treasons."

"Gurgle."

Ha...No.

[LadyAvery]

I don't see how his path would cross Jeyne's.

Well, and excuse my newness, but what if Blackfish went to the Land of Lost Plotlines...I mean the Neck for assistance.

They would still be loyal to the Starks and their people barely saw action during the Wo5K so perhap he went seeking aid from Reed.

[Steelborn]

Wait, scratch that. The Dance prologue was Ice, so this one is Fire. I am thinking Brotherhood without Banners then.

I get your point. But, is the prologue of Feast related to fire?

The prologue of Winds can be ice too. I've always thought that Pate would be the original prologue for the Feast/Dance book before it was split, so George put it in Feast and the Dance one would be the "guide for proper warging to Jon Snow". I'm very likely wrong however, especially because I don't see Jeyne in the North or beyond.

[Hippocras]

Well, and excuse my newness, but what if Blackfish went to the Land of Lost Plotlines...I mean the Neck for assistance.

They would still be loyal to the Starks and their people barely saw action during the Wo5K so perhap he went seeking aid from Reed.

I would very much love to meet HR, and I do think Greywater is one possibility for where Blackfish went. This idea could work if there was a Jeyne switch and the girl Jamie met was not her.

But GRRM said that the difference in description was an unfortunate mistake, so I am not betting on a Jeyne switch at this point. Which means Jeyne is headed in the opposite direction from Greywater, to Casterly Rock. It seems like a long shot that their rescue and trip to Greywater from there could happen in a single prologue.

[Hippocras]

I get your point. But, is the prologue of Feast related to fire?

The prologue of Winds can be ice too. I've always thought that Pate would be the original prologue for the Feast/Dance book before it was split, so George put it in Feast and the Dance one would be the "guide for proper warging to Jon Snow". I'm very likely wrong however, especially because I don't see Jeyne in the North or beyond.

Doesn't really seem to, no.

See my later posts for what I really think is going on with the prologues, because the post you quoted was kind of half joking.

The real pattern of the prologues IMO is that GRRM uses them to give us samples of the various kinds of magic, how they work, where they are going to be factors in later events etc. So it is not really about strictly alternating fire and ice, but about showing the threats and possibilities that magic represents in the story, often in contrast to the ideas of a maester who was trained to believe such things were either impossible or horrific abominations.

[Karsa stark]

Apologies if i'm coming late to this thread and my question has already been answered.

When i heard Jeyne would be in the prologue i automatically assumed BWB attacking the column heading back to casterly rock. The question is would LS be more likely to want to protect Jeyne... or would she more likely see her as the reason her son is dead and leave her hanging from a tree...?

Given what we've seen from LS so far my money is on the latter!

[Booknerd2]

A tough one. I would guess that it matters how much of Old Cat she really has inside her. We don't know yet.

I could see her leaving her be for a few matters of consideration:

1. She may hate the Freys more.

2. She still has heart and will not do that to a woman her son Robb loved.

3. She finds out it was Sybell Spicer, not Jeyne ( difficult but not impossible, Jaime knows the duplicity) I still wonder if giving LS choice bits of info, vowing to help, etc, may play a role in saving his neck.

4. Jeyne married into the family and is a Stark, Queen of the North for a short time, and won't do it on principle and honor, again more for Robb.

5. The Blackfish is with Jeyne, or does not want a young girl killed, and LS holds back out of respect for her brother, or he convinces her not to.

I am wondering if Blackfish is with BWB and LS.

- Having a relative around might "help" her. She loves her uncle.

- same if Edmure is in the convoy. She loves her brother.

-The only thing I am not looking forward to is the shock in the next book if her brother and uncle see her. So sad.

We haven't gotten too much of a reaction regarding LS. By the time she is introduced, the BWB has had time to absorb the shock and retell how she was revived. If anything, it was harder on Harwin from Wintefell who knew her as Cat, and Gendry who now knows the state his buddy Arya's mother is in.

[Gi_Varotti]

As far as we know, Jeyne isn't pregnant so what's her importance for the story? She sort of betrayed Robb (I'm still not sure if she was really innocent or if she knew what her mom was doing to her). I mean, what the heck is she going to do that will be so important? Does she have the letter that will legitimaze Jon? Does she have some political information that could change all? Or will it be just a random meeting?

And I agree with Karsa, I think LS will probably kill the girl.

PS: Howland Reed is just wishful thinking. I'd love to see a pov from him but there'll be no connection with this prologue...

[HexMachina]

^ Jeyne clearly was innocent in the whole thing. She loved Robb and even fought with her mother for the crown that he gave to her. This isn't the actions of someone complicit in.her mother's plans. I don't really understand how you can say she betrayed Robb

[Ser Gareth]

I think the prologue may be Jeyne's mother. I know GRRM has claimed he may buck the trend and have the Prologue character live, but I think it could be Jeyne's mother witnessing an attack on her escort either by the monstrous pack of wolves or the brotherhood. I think by the end of the Prologue Jeyne and Edmure may well be free and Jeyne's mother dies.

[Carey Snow]

Well, let's hope that it is not in either Jeyne's or the Blackfish's point of view. I do not want either of them to die. To me, there are three places/situations that the prologue could take place in.

1. On the march from Riverrun to Casterly Rock. As many people have suggested, this would likely involve an attack by the BwB or the wolves. This means that Jeyne's story will intertwine with Breinne/Jaime and Lady Stoneheart.

2. Taking place at Casterly Rock. We get a scene after Jeyne arrives at Casterly Rock. This likely means that her story will intertwine with Cersei's. Could she be the younger more beautiful Queen? She has motive to cause Cersei all sorts of problems.

3. Taking place with the Blackfish on the run from the Lannisters. Where will they go? Maybe to the Vale, or to Winterfell? What would the prologue actually be about? The most unlikely in my opinion.

[Edmure's Floppy Fish]

I may be wrong, but I thought all of the prologues were characters we had NEVER heard of. That rule seems just as solid as the pov character always dying rule. So not only does the pov die, it also covers a character whom we have never heard of. Correct me if I am wrong in this (The only one I'm not sure of is the one of the NW member is planning on running and dies in the next chapter)

[Colonel Green]

I may be wrong, but I thought all of the prologues were characters we had NEVER heard of.

We had met Chett and Varamyr before.

3. She finds out it was Sybell Spicer, not Jeyne ( difficult but not impossible, Jaime knows the duplicity) I still wonder if giving LS choice bits of info, vowing to help, etc, may play a role in saving his neck.

Stoneheart doesn't know that anybody on the Westerling side betrayed Robb, as far as we know. They Freys didn't know it, so they couldn't have learned about it from them. Only Jaime and the Westerlings themselves know the contents of the deal, at this point, of the characters in the area.

[Loge]

As far as we know, Jeyne isn't pregnant so what's her importance for the story? She sort of betrayed Robb (I'm still not sure if she was really innocent or if she knew what her mom was doing to her). I mean, what the heck is she going to do that will be so important? Does she have the letter that will legitimaze Jon? Does she have some political information that could change all? Or will it be just a random meeting?

And I agree with Karsa, I think LS will probably kill the girl.

PS: Howland Reed is just wishful thinking. I'd love to see a pov from him but there'll be no connection with this prologue...

At some point the whole plot that brought down Robb has to be uncovered and Jeyne may play a major role in that.

[LadyAvery]

At some point the whole plot that brought down Robb has to be uncovered and Jeyne may play a major role in that.

I like this. Only problem is that those with knowledge of the plot are either in the North or at the Twins (I'm not sure of this, but I assume most are). It would provide few opportunities for it to come to light for her.

Also each prologue has taught us or shown us something that we normally wouldn't get a chance to see. Each prologue so far has introduced information on things from the Others, Maesters and magics, the events at the Fist, Maester's chains and black candles, Old God beliefs and second life. I'm sure this prologue will be no different.

[Booknerd2]

I think the prologue may be Jeyne's mother. I know GRRM has claimed he may buck the trend and have the Prologue character live, but I think it could be Jeyne's mother witnessing an attack on her escort either by the monstrous pack of wolves or the brotherhood. I think by the end of the Prologue Jeyne and Edmure may well be free and Jeyne's mother dies.

Not sure how I feel about it. But Sybell being the Prologue and her ruminating,being fearful, and stewing over Jaime's "Oh, snap, in your face, you make me sick" speech would be interesting, if stuff does go down with BWB, BlackFish, LS, or whatever.

I would die though, if THAT is when Jaime and Brienne arrives, (because they were already on their way, and Jaime manages to save his neck, promise something to LS regarding the girls, or whatever, and also sweeten the deal by informing the mother of Sybell's dead son-in-law, Lady Stoneheart, just what Sybell did to Robb and her.

And we would get our one death. Cause it would so be her. And it saves BF, LS, Jaime, or whoever, for this time around anyway.

I could only think of LS fingering Robb's Crown and staring at it. This woman majorly screwed her son. So if she comes upon her and Jaime is there…or even if it gets settled in another chapter.

If BWB has Sybell, and Jaime shows up, she will piss her gown.

So it would be doable, but I don't know how I feel about this.

[Bob Sacamano]

It'd be great if we also got to see Raynald Westerling. He's one the "Is he/she dead characters?" that I really want to see alive.