Ser Wun Wun
, you shame me with all this awesome speculation! I'd kind of written off the part about Tyrion in that bit of dialogue from Stannis since it seemed to be foreshadowing something quite unlikely, but let's throw open the gates and speculate away.
Here's the quote again:
"Are you so eager to see the Imp perched on your father's seat
? I promise you, that will not happen whilst I live
, Lord Snow."
Here, when Stannis states "the Imp perched on your father's seat," he is referring to Tyrion becoming Lord of Winterfell. So taken at face value and using Stannis' meaning, this seems to be foreshadowing Tyrion becoming Lord of Winterfell. But as Ser Wun Wun
pointed out, there are several other possible references here.
"Your father" = Ned? Rhaegar? Ned isn't Jon's father, Rhaegar is.
"Your father's seat" = Winterfell (Ned's seat)? Dragonstone (Rhaegar's seat)?
"Seat" = "Seat" could mean a seat as in a chair or a throne. It could also mean "seat" as in a noble house's seat.
"the Imp perched on" = Perched implies something different than sitting or occupying a seat. Dragons perch, don't they? It might be a bit literal, but maybe Tyrion (astride a dragon) will literally "perch" atop Winterfell or Dragonstone.
Yeah, it could mean any number of things. Stannis is basically saying here that Tyrion perching in Jon's father's seat will happen over his dead body, and when a character in this
series says something will happen over his dead body, that makes me sit up and look for foreshadowing hints.
So with regards to Stannis's line, that 'the imp will not perch on Jon's father's seat whilst he lives', we've got decent foreshadowing that Tyrion will "perch" on Dragonstone (Rhaegar's seat) and/or Winterfell (Ned's seat) whilst Stannis is "dead".
Yes, agreed. It depends what "perching" will mean, though. It could just mean Tyrion will go to these places, as you said (maybe astride a dragon, since dragons perch).
To get a little crackpotty, Stannis in the quote is referencing Tyrion becoming Lord of Winterfell. In ASOS, when Tyrion contemplated the idea of becoming Lord of Winterfell when Tywin floated the marriage to Sansa, he felt a "queer chill." Maybe an unintended glimpse of the future? That would tie in with the quote posted from ADWD of a lone gargoyle poking through the snow at Winterfell, "snarling" at the sky.
There's this quote from AGOT:
Tyrion Lannister was sitting on the ledge above the door to the Great Hall, looking for all the world like a gargoyle.
Interesting thing about gargoyles--besides the stone/greyscale association, of course--is that they were used as "protectors." They were intended to frighten off evil and harmful spirits and offer protection to those within the building. And in this conversation with Jon in AGOT, Jon sees Tyrion sitting and looking "like a gargoyle" on a Winterfell ledge.
For all the trouble that Tyrion's kidnapping caused, Tyrion's symbolic associations with the gargoyle might point to a positive/benevolent role if he winds up at Winterfell again. (On the other hand, there's foreshadowing to suggest he'll wind up on the opposite side of the Starks in whatever conflict is brewing--the direwolves attacking Tyrion in AGOT, his thought of running naked before a wolf pack in AGOT, etc.--so who knows?)
Greyscale, hmmm.....I didn't think of that. Interesting, wasn't Shireen (who has greyscale) compared to a gargoyle by LF at one point? I think it could fit. Not that it precludes my uber awesome Tyrion going to Dragonstone/Winterfell theory or anything
Heck, both could happen for sure.
So Winterfell is in ruins, covered in snow....but one lone gargoyle survives to snarl sightlessly at the sky. Could this foreshadow Tyrion surviving the upcoming Ragnarok-like apocalypse thingy (while maybe ending up blind...)?
He does have a habit of surviving impossibly dangerous situations...lucky little imp.
Could be. Some think his luck has to eventually run out, and others look at his track record and think his cockroach-level survivability won't change anytime soon.
Edited by Newstar, 13 March 2013 - 02:02 PM.