"from what I can see most people who call the ironborn savage and un-ethical support characters like stannis who cheats on his wfe with mel, burns his bannermen as sacrifices and considered kin-slaying.
Ultimately, in ASoIaF ethics are very loose(the death penalty's in place almost everywhere,boys are trained to kill from a young age as squires and then get rewarded for it with the title of being a knight, whoring and bastardy are common, most power is achieved through conquest and eradication of those who ruled before and the only real crime is to kinslay which lots of characters get away with anyway) and any character you support is gonna have done something un-ethical. even the starks who believe that the death penalty's fine as long as they do it and even their children kill or don't object when people kill or steal their bodies. so you might as well support the guys who accept this and use it to their advantage to gain somethong more than their own barren islands."
It seems very hypocritcal to me that people can call the ironborn evil when people like khal drogo are very well repsected despite the fact that he marries and rapes 13 year old girls, attacks and destroys villages and cultures like the Lhazarene and takes the survivors as slaves and whores. my belief is that westeros is a medieval society where modern world ethics are practically non-existent and the ironborn are no worse in their deeds than fan favourites like stannis baratheon and to a lesser extent the starks, and therefore the idea that they're evil because of this pillaging culture is completely in-valid.
once you get over this idea you can see that within this context of a medieval world the ironborn are a really fascinating culture like the vikings
In fact in many ways Ironborn culture is slightly further ahead than the rest of the seven kingdoms in terms of the equality they have, as GRRM shows in 3 ways:
- Because "every King is a captain, and every captain a King" as long as Iron-men are sailors and seafarers (which most of them are) they are actually very equal, as can be seen in the way that in the iron fleet even bastards like Ragnor Pyke- A member of victarions crew and later in the TWOW chapter read at Tiff he gets his own ship to captain- can rise to prominence in the iron fleet.
- In any other kingdom Asha would never have been able to become so powerful as she'd be constrained by the idea that being the daughter of a liege lord her only duty was to wed and to bed and she'd end up like lysa tully.
- The kingsmoots are the closest thing westeros has to democracy.
Edit:P.S. for some reason the forums stopped me being able to quote peoples responses which makes it very difficult to argue back against all the ironborn haters who can't see the logic behind this argument, if you do support the ironborn and/or can understand the point I'm making up here, can you back me up and argue back please
Edited by locke and key, 04 March 2013 - 05:27 PM.