Ser Mouth of the South Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 Crackpot: I like the idea of loras taking the gift and demanding the life of cersei in exchange. Then arya (yes I know she knows cersei) gets to go because she convinces the kindly man she is no one and "no one" has never met cersei. Then she can kill cersei.The only problem with this is I doubt the FM would want loras' life in exchange. Its not important enough for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fender Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Crackpot: I like the idea of loras taking the gift and demanding the life of cersei in exchange. Then arya (yes I know she knows cersei) gets to go because she convinces the kindly man she is no one and "no one" has never met cersei. Then she can kill cersei.The only problem with this is I doubt the FM would want loras' life in exchange. Its not important enough for him.Not that I agree with the theory or anything, but the sacrifice that Faceless Men ask for is not necessarily something that is valuable to their organization, but rather something that is valuable for their client. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrodarcniss Posted April 18, 2013 Share Posted April 18, 2013 Just want to mention right now that Loras will not champion Margaery, whether he's hurt or not. It's already been said in-text that she'll simply get a trial by the Faith, since she is convinced she can prove to the masses that she is innocent of the filth she was accused of by Cersei. So no, no championing. Cersei will get a trial by combat, but not Marge.Margaery might still switch to a trial by combat if the trial goes against her, just as Tyrion did. It very well might go against her if Cercei's trial is first and if she is free when Margaery goes to trial. Loras could be a very effective ace up her sleeve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeDC Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Margaery might still switch to a trial by combat if the trial goes against her, just as Tyrion did. It very well might go against her if Cercei's trial is first and if she is free when Margaery goes to trial. Loras could be a very effective ace up her sleeve.It's not actually clear that Loras is a very effective fighter. He's shown to be a good jouster, but one that uses somewhat underhanded techniques. Later, he gets soundly thrashed by Brienne.When Renly gets killed, he goes nuts and attacks his fellow rainbow guards, but again, it's not clear that killing surprised and in-mourning friends shows a lot of skill.At the battle of the Blackwater, he's not noted as doing anything, while Garlan actually wore Renly's armor, led the attack, and killed Ser Guyard, who was also in the rainbow guard but defected to Stannis.So really, we don't have much evidence that Loras is really a warrior at all. If I were the Tyrells, I'd probably choose Garlan to do my fighting for me, since he's bigger, stronger, and more battle tested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis the Menace Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 For some reason I wasn't sure that it was, in fact, Ser Gregor's head that went to Dorne... Isn't it possible it was one of the dwarf heads that Cersei had a surplus of at the time.Very Interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Rayne Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 I like to imagine the Greatjon emulating Sampson, breaking his chains, pulling down the Twins and then killing forty Boltons with Walder Frey's jawbone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Visual909 Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 I think as far as Loras goes, he's probably okay. I think the Queen of Thorns probably had his involvement in the battle faked. Because really his injuries are far to detailed for a battle field like that. As for Great Jon I hope he escapes and I hope that the Walder Frey watches as his entire family (minus the few good ones we've seen) is picked off one by one and he is the last of his line to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis must Die Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Judging by The Greatjohn's total absence from a season and a half of the TV version I would doubt that he has much further involvement in the plot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 Judging by The Greatjohn's total absence from a season and a half of the TV version I would doubt that he has much further involvement in the plotThe actors non appearance is because of his role in another show/movie I can't remember which. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CersiGoesCrazy Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Nothing. But if Rob, The King in the North, legitimized Jon and made him his heir... well, the King has spoken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CersiGoesCrazy Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Yes, Rob made his heir but he thought Bran, Rickon, and Arya dead. The point was that Winterfell not go to a Lannister child of Sansa. On the other hand, then what is the point of Rickon? Maybe he becomes the king beyond the wall? He's wild possibly too wild and being raised/protected by a wilding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SansaSeastar Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Yes, Rob made his heir but he thought Bran, Rickon, and Arya dead. The point was that Winterfell not go to a Lannister child of Sansa. On the other hand, then what is the point of Rickon? Maybe he becomes the king beyond the wall? He's wild possibly too wild and being raised/protected by a wilding.Exactly. Jon would never walk past his own brothers and take Winterfell or the crown from them. If they would be dead, then yes but not with them alive. Maybe he can become some kind of regent and since Bran and Rickon both are not capable of riding along side their bannerman to war maybe he can represent them their.GreatJon, god I love that guy. I really hope he will be freed. The wedding at the twins would seem as the perfect opportunity so I will have my fingers crossed for that one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Broke Howard Hughes Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 I'm not sure Loras is near death but I also don't see him fighting Ser Strong. If I'm not mistaken Marg will be getting a regular trial which we know is in her best interest because not only do the people love her but the High Septon doesn't seem to believe she's guilty. And besides who says Ser Strong is capable of fighting. He's strong but he seems mindless, you need a mind to fight right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joluoto2 Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 For Greatjon: check out the Umber Coat of Arms for a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyp1186 Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 I'm not sure Loras is near death but I also don't see him fighting Ser Strong. If I'm not mistaken Marg will be getting a regular trial which we know is in her best interest because not only do the people love her but the High Septon doesn't seem to believe she's guilty. And besides who says Ser Strong is capable of fighting. He's strong but he seems mindless, you need a mind to fight right? The Arya sample chapter in the winds of winter makes me believe that RS does win the trial by battle and Cersei is somehow still in power. I don't have the exact quote, but most people seem to think this is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Broke Howard Hughes Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 The Arya sample chapter in the winds of winter makes me believe that RS does win the trial by battle and Cersei is somehow still in power. I don't have the exact quote, but most people seem to think this is the case.Oh, I have no doubt Cersei is alive. My point is lets not turn RS into Ser Arthur Dayne. For all we know something unexpected happens and Cersei skates on a technicality. In fact I'd be shocked if her trail is that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mb2518 Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 I 100% believe Loras is fine. He knew Cersei's plan was stupid even before he left. Also, the first time the reader is introduced to him is at Ned's tourney. He uses trickery to defeat Gregor there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shireen Shireen Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Tormund > Greatjon. SorryI really couldn't care less about Loras. I'm glad he 'vanished'. In what respect? ;) In my speculative universe, King Jon will need both the GreatJon and Tormund and many others to become hero king of the world. Both has reason to be loyal to him. I love the suggestions that Roslyn and/or Jamie will play a part in GJ's escape. Loras will be back to play his part in the sh*t storm that will be WoW, but he's bound to be hurt at the moment. He was supposed to be burnt, right? You wouldn't make up that story without knowing you will have to show burn scars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owen111222 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Its possible that the Hound could fight Ser Strong according to the theory that he's on the Quiet Isle as a gravedigger which would associate him with the Faith for the trial. http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/60808-the-gravedigging-hound-complete-analysis/Also I think that the BWB could use Jaime to get revenge on people that LS sees as more directly involved with the RW, they've already used Brienne to get Jaime, why not use Jaime to get Freys and/or Boltons, and maybe free prisoners such as the Greatjon.I don't trust Cersei's POV, Loras is probably alive at least, possibly injured, maybe disfigured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urien the Ragged Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 the Greatjon has some part to play in all of this. Crowfood and Whoresbane are still out there, and haven't forgotten what happened to the Smalljon at the RW. They are all part of this conspiracy. I don't think Loras is capable of much besides screaming in pain at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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