The Latest News
Connect with Us

Notable Releases
From the Store
Game of Thrones Pop! Television Figurines, 3rd Edition [Set of 7]
Game of Thrones Pop! Television Figurines, 3rd Edition [Set of 7]
HBO US
Featured Sites
License Holders

Jump to content


Photo

Top 7 military commanders in ASOIAF (including Robert's Rebellion)


  • This topic is locked This topic is locked
537 replies to this topic

#1 Fetch me a block

Fetch me a block

    I'll pay the Iron Price.

  • Banned
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,356 posts

Posted 11 April 2013 - 06:45 PM

5 is too few and 10 is too many. 7 Is lucky.
  • Robert Baratheon. He smashed 3 armies in one day, smashed Rhaegar's Army at the Trident (recognizing that killing the enemy commander will do wonders for destroying your opponent's morale) and almost tore the Iron Islands into the Waves. As Jon Snow puts it, he was a very bold commander.
  • Robb Stark. Defeated two big Lannister armies with brilliance and daring, and won a string of minor to decent victories against the odds. He also had decent subordinates. I think both of the Tullys were good for him. He was clearly a prodigy on the battlefield. Undefeated on the battlefiield.
  • Stannis Baratheon. The most experienced on the list at only 38 years old. Held out the Tyrells, took Dragonstone, smashed the Iron Fleet, captured Great Wyk in the Greyjoy Rebellion and defeated Mance Rayder's host that was ten times his size. Great commander on land and sea. As Jon Snow puts it, he is a very deliberate commander.
  • Brynden 'Blackfish' Tully. Fought in the war of the ninepenny kings, Robert's Rebellion and TWotFK. Noted as being brilliant by everyone and commanded Robb Stark's vanguard regularly.
  • Eddard Stark. Has won his fair share of battles in Robert's Rebellion and the Greyjoy Rebellion, and he was the commander of Robert's vanguard because he knew how to command, but also because he could be trusted. Also undefeated on the battlefield. He recognized that the North needed fortification before TWotFK even started, and saw through Tywin Lannister's plan to spread Edmure Tully's troops thin, which all of the Riverlords fell in to.
  • Tywin Lannister. He's in it for the long haul. He has a fearsome reputation as a commander, and though Robb Stark wiped the floor with him, Tywin has a fearsome reputation for a reason
  • Randyll Tarly. If we are to believe what people say about him, can read the battle better than any commander in Westeros.
Honourable mentions: Edmure Tully, Jon Snow, Jon Arryn and Euron Crow's Eye Greyjoy. The battles of the Fords and Castle Black respectively were military masterpieces, doubtless Jon Arryn had a big commanding role in Robert's Rebellion and Euron's plan for the Shield Islands attack was brilliant.

Edit: Switched some around,changed some descriptions and added 4 honourable mentions.

Edited by Fetch me a block, 15 April 2013 - 07:45 AM.


#2 E-Ro

E-Ro

    Guttersnipe

  • Banned
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 11,050 posts

Posted 11 April 2013 - 06:47 PM

List looks good to me, are they in any sort of order?

#3 E-Ro

E-Ro

    Guttersnipe

  • Banned
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 11,050 posts

Posted 11 April 2013 - 06:48 PM

Also this is going to explode into "ZOMG STANNIS/TYWIN/NED/RANDYLE are overrated!!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!"

#4 Ser Areo Mace

Ser Areo Mace

    the shield against winter

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,372 posts

Posted 11 April 2013 - 06:52 PM

Lists looks good, probably a different order for me but I agree with who's on it. I would also consider Ser Barristan Selmy for the lower part of the list, he's probably a top tenner.

#5 DukeOfNorthumberland

DukeOfNorthumberland

    Commoner

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 8 posts

Posted 11 April 2013 - 06:56 PM

I don't think Robb wiped the floor with Tywin. I don't think they ever met in battle.

#6 TyrionsFlagon

TyrionsFlagon

    Landed Knight

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 487 posts

Posted 11 April 2013 - 06:57 PM

I'd get rid of Eddard, Tywin, and Stannis.

Stannis defeated the Iron Fleet (big deal with the power of the realm behind you), took Dragonstone after the war was over, and defeated starvation at Storm's end, and no credit for beating the Wildlings. Lost the Blackwater miserably, stuck in the snow in Winterfell. I wouldn't call him bad, he does have a lot of pros on his resume, but they're weak for my liking.

I would consider adding Bloodraven. I also think Tyrion deserves some consideration. Generals need to be smart, and Tyrion did a better job than probably anybody would have. His resume is small though.

Edited by TyrionsFlagon, 11 April 2013 - 06:58 PM.


#7 Gingerchu

Gingerchu

    Noble

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 597 posts

Posted 11 April 2013 - 06:57 PM

I think Tarly always leads the vanguard but yeah list seems good to me

#8 Fetch me a block

Fetch me a block

    I'll pay the Iron Price.

  • Banned
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,356 posts

Posted 11 April 2013 - 06:59 PM

List looks good to me, are they in any sort of order?

I put mine in order, but do what you like.

#9 Fetch me a block

Fetch me a block

    I'll pay the Iron Price.

  • Banned
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,356 posts

Posted 11 April 2013 - 07:00 PM

I'd get rid of Eddard, Tywin, and Stannis.

Stannis defeated the Iron Fleet (big deal with the power of the realm behind you), took Dragonstone after the war was over, and defeated starvation at Storm's end, and no credit for beating the Wildlings. Lost the Blackwater miserably, stuck in the snow in Winterfell. I wouldn't call him bad, he does have a lot of pros on his resume, but they're weak for my liking.

I would consider adding Bloodraven. I also think Tyrion deserves some consideration. Generals need to be smart, and Tyrion did a better job than probably anybody would have. His resume is small though.

Bloodraven isn't in ASOIAF or Robert's Rebellion. Right about Tyrion though.

Edited by Fetch me a block, 11 April 2013 - 07:02 PM.


#10 Fetch me a block

Fetch me a block

    I'll pay the Iron Price.

  • Banned
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,356 posts

Posted 11 April 2013 - 07:04 PM

I don't think Robb wiped the floor with Tywin. I don't think they ever met in battle.

Tyrion acknowledges Robb is kicking his arse. They didn't meet directly in battle but they fought in skirmishes for months, and it can be assumed that forces in the Westerlands on the Lannister team are 'Tywin's'. If Robb and Tywin are the Commander-in-Chief's of their respective armies, then Robb was beating Tywin.

#11 RenlyIsNotRight

RenlyIsNotRight

    XxDeathBeforeDanyxX

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,810 posts

Posted 11 April 2013 - 07:08 PM

Good list except I would replace Tywin Lannister with Jon Arryn, who was the real tactical mind behind Roberts Rebellion by most accounts. Tywin was more of a politician than a general, as evidenced by his inability to best the significantly less experienced Robb Stark on the field as you mentioned, and perhaps most infamously the fact that he lost a battle to Edmure Tully of all people.

#12 Hear me Meow

Hear me Meow

    The return of the Cat

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,551 posts

Posted 11 April 2013 - 07:09 PM

Tyrion acknowledges Robb is kicking his arse. They didn't meet directly in battle but they fought in skirmishes for months, and it can be assumed that forces in the Westerlands on the Lannister team are 'Tywin's'. If Robb and Tywin are the Commander-in-Chief's of their respective armies, then Robb was beating Tywin.


By this logic Balon Greyjoy beat Robb hands down.

#13 Ghey4Renly

Ghey4Renly

    Freerider

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 43 posts

Posted 11 April 2013 - 07:09 PM

Where is Edmure Tully? Lawl. Anyway, I agree with your list OP although if Stannis is indeed victorious over the Boltons he should jump higher as well.

#14 Brandon Ice Eyes

Brandon Ice Eyes

    Commoner

  • Members
  • Pip
  • 8 posts

Posted 11 April 2013 - 07:10 PM

Wait Edmure Tully isn't one of the best commanders in Westeros? /shocked.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':shocked:' />

#15 Fetch me a block

Fetch me a block

    I'll pay the Iron Price.

  • Banned
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,356 posts

Posted 11 April 2013 - 07:13 PM

Good list except I would replace Tywin Lannister with Jon Arryn, who was the real tactical mind behind Roberts Rebellion by most accounts. Tywin was more of a politician than a general, as evidenced by his inability to best the significantly less experienced Robb Stark on the field as you mentioned, and perhaps most infamously the fact that he lost a battle to Edmure Tully of all people.

Really? I didn't know that

#16 Ser Areo Mace

Ser Areo Mace

    the shield against winter

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,372 posts

Posted 11 April 2013 - 07:22 PM

Good list except I would replace Tywin Lannister with Jon Arryn, who was the real tactical mind behind Roberts Rebellion by most accounts. Tywin was more of a politician than a general, as evidenced by his inability to best the significantly less experienced Robb Stark on the field as you mentioned, and perhaps most infamously the fact that he lost a battle to Edmure Tully of all people.


Really? I didn't know that


I completely blanked on Jon Arryn not being there, I agree on him possibly being the real tactical mind behind RR but Ned and Robert did do their part and shouldn't go without recognition. Jaime's POV during his War Council made me question Tywin as a commander and if all the credit should be given to him, though as the Commander he has the final word on tactics so I guess it might be fair to give it to him.

#17 Hear me Meow

Hear me Meow

    The return of the Cat

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,551 posts

Posted 11 April 2013 - 07:24 PM

No evidence Jon Arryn was the real tactical mind behind the rebellion. His military skills are never once mentioned.

#18 Fetch me a block

Fetch me a block

    I'll pay the Iron Price.

  • Banned
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,356 posts

Posted 11 April 2013 - 07:28 PM

By this logic Balon Greyjoy beat Robb hands down.

Must you always disagree with me, Bran the Cute?

#19 Hear me Meow

Hear me Meow

    The return of the Cat

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,551 posts

Posted 11 April 2013 - 07:30 PM

Must you always disagree with me, Bran the Cute?


I agreed with you in that Renly thread you did.

#20 lady m

lady m

    the harpy

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,305 posts

Posted 11 April 2013 - 07:33 PM

Also this is going to explode into "ZOMG STANNIS/TYWIN/NED/RANDYLE are overrated!!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!"


Tywin's the one that's overrated. His only battle in RR is sacking KL. he's not mentioned during the Greyjoy Rebellion, except in relation to the entire Lannister fleet being burned at Lannisport. He's doing great in Wot5K, till Robb Stark joins the fray, and then he disrespects him as a green boy while Robb showed he was tactically more sound than Tywin, a man almost 4x his age. Littlefinger negotiates the alliance with the Tyrells, which allows him to go to Kings Landing and take Tyrion's glory since there would have been no glory had the city not held.

His big victories are actually against his own bannermen, the Reynes and Tarbecks.