what will happen with ko jhaqo and daenerys ?

[davybyrne95]

i am interested to see what ko jhaqo will do with dany and drogon . she swore that she would kill him and mago after learning of ereoh's fate . in my opinion i think she will kill him and take over of the 20 thousand strong khalasar and lead them to mereen .

[~Shiera Seastar~]

He will be a feast for Drogon, unless he will bend his knees, or surrender his khalasar to the Mother of Dragons.

[Stallion That Mounts Texas]

He will be a feast for Drogon, unless he will bend his knees, or surrender his khalasar to the Mother of Dragons.

I think that he will bend the knee and surrender his khalasar to Dany. The question is whether Dany will decide to punish him for the past or make him one of her battle commanders? Dany can be terrible to her enemies and the khalasar is likely to bend anyway, but he may be too valuable to kill.

[~Shiera Seastar~]

I think that he will bend the knee and surrender his khalasar to Dany.

It can happen, but it can't also happen.

The question is whether Dany will decide to punish him for the past or make him one of her battle commanders?

Since Dany is so unlucky with which people to trust, it will be wiser not to trust him right away than keep a pretender on her side just waiting for its perfect chance to stab her on the back. Dany could just put an end on him before such thing happen; but if he'll join her, better to test his loyalty first than assume he and his khalasar are 100% hers.

Dany can be terrible to her enemies and the khalasar is likely to bend anyway, but he may be too valuable to kill.

Anyone is terrible on the eyes of his/her enemies (vice versa). I do think he's valuable, too. If he's a good battle commander, Dany can use him for this skill (but if she'll take him, she must tell him things that she doesn't approve, such as raping, pillaging, etc.)

[MikeDC]

I don't see any evidence that Jhaqo is of much value by himself. He'll get scorched and whomever was following him will swear their loyalties to Dany

[Stallion That Mounts Texas]

I don't see any evidence that Jhaqo is of much value by himself. He'll get scorched and whomever was following him will swear their loyalties to Dany

His only real value would be a battle commander, but I don't think it will be enough to sway Dany from the "blood oath" she swore against Jhaqo and Mago (his blood rider) for what they did to the innocent slave girl.

Dany may not kill him right away, but he is likely toast. Mago is toast for sure.

[~Shiera Seastar~]

I don't see any evidence that Jhaqo is of much value by himself. He'll get scorched and whomever was following him will swear their loyalties to Dany

Anyone is of value. If Dany will BBQ him on the spot, his khalasars will follow her out of fear, not out of true sworn loyalties. She may not use him as her commander or anything, but she can at least use him to demonstrate that she is a Queen worth following by giving him a fair trial/punishment/treatment (not sure if the dothraki understand that concept though).

[ugashep]

He will die screaming.

[robbrown]

Anyone is of value. If Dany will BBQ him on the spot, his khalasars will follow her out of fear, not out of true sworn loyalties. She may not use him as her commander or anything, but she can at least use him to demonstrate that she is a Queen worth following by giving him a fair trial/punishment/treatment (not sure if the dothraki understand that concept though).

It's mentioned by Ser Jorah in book 1 or 2 that the Dothraki only follow strength. I think having her dragon scorch Jhaqo and Mago will put the rest of them behind her as long as she has her dragons. My guess is that the Khallasar then marches on the Yunkai just in time to rescue Ser Barristan and the rest of Dany's followers.

[~Shiera Seastar~]

It's mentioned by Ser Jorah in book 1 or 2 that the Dothraki only follow strength. I think having her dragon scorch Jhaqo and Mago will put the rest of them behind her as long as she has her dragons. My guess is that the Khallasar then marches on the Yunkai just in time to rescue Ser Barristan and the rest of Dany's followers.

Yes they only follow strength, that's why the concept I was referring to would be a strange thing to the dothrakis. If Dany will scorch Jhaqo and Mago, that's not strength, imho, but advantage. Jhaqo's khalazar won't follow her because of her strenght but because she has dragons. Anyway, Dany won't force them to bend their knees, me thinks. And if they freely choose to follow her (like what her first khalasar did), she will protect them; if not, she will let them go.

Welcome to the forums, by the way. :cheers:

[oprahnoodlemantra]

He will be a feast for Drogon, unless he will bend his knees, or surrender his khalasar to the Mother of Dragons.

If he was gonna be a feast it would have happened already. Drogon burning Jhaqo makes a much better ending than beginning.

[greywindsrage]

She has to kill him. Thats the only way the rest will follow her. Plus their horses will be scared shitless.

[eivers]

They could be a red herring. Dany has no real means to transport a large number of Dothraki to Westeros. The Golden Company had enough problems landing 10000 troops. Imagine the hand-waving Martin would have to do to get at least 20000+ Dothraki and all the rest of Dany's children across the seas.

[jon stark I]

Oh and Dany is the source of pure innocence the minute she decided to torture those people she became the same thing she swore to kill.How is she any better then Jhaqo right now?With her smarts she wll probably kill him and lose the only battle commender she could haae found.

[Stallion That Mounts Texas]

They could be a red herring. Dany has no real means to transport a large number of Dothraki to Westeros. The Golden Company had enough problems landing 10000 troops. Imagine the hand-waving Martin would have to do to get at least 20000+ Dothraki and all the rest of Dany's children across the seas.

You forget the Greyjoy Fleet. Victarian has captured many cogs and other large trading vessels, in addition to his iron fleet (which are larger warships). Also consider the ships Vic will capture after the battle of Merreen.

[Stallion That Mounts Texas]

Oh and Dany is the source of pure innocence the minute she decided to torture those people she became the same thing she swore to kill.How is she any better then Jhaqo right now?With her smarts she wll probably kill him and lose the only battle commender she could haae found.

She has tortured, but not out of enjoyment and pleasure. She does not torture and kill to control the populace, otherwise she would have done it in Meereen. I agree she is not innocent, as I said she can be terrible to her enemies, but she is no Khal Jhaqo.

[Tini]

If he was gonna be a feast it would have happened already. Drogon burning Jhaqo makes a much better ending than beginning.

I would have said the same about the outcome of the battle of Winterfell, and a number of other things that were not in ADWD (but should have been, as far as I am concerned).

I think Jhaqo will give her some information about Varys and Illyrio that will make her start suspecting Illyrio's motives. It might make her pay a visit to Illyrio. I don't see Jhaqo bowing to her, though. That would signal defeat to his khalasaar, and I don't see any khal doing that, especially not to a woman.

He may be planning to take her to the dosh khaleen where widowed khaleesi belong. Obviously Dany was not planning to go there on her own. Maybe he heard that she got married again in Mereen, and considered that an insult to her dead husband Drogo.

[Robin the Mighty]

she does not kill neither jhaqo nor maggo. She definitely will not kill maggo because GRRM said that dany will have some interesting conversations with him. then:

goes south and join the battle of meeren and then goes north where the dosh khaleen bow to her or goes north and then comes back south.

or drogon eats jhaqo and lets maggo to live and then the other things happen

[The Others Take Ya]

I think Jhaqo or Mago won't survive very long, but how long just depends on logistics. I mean Jhaqo is very likely riding with his khalasaar, but Mago may be at Vaes Dothrak. She did say:

“Before I am done with them, Mago and Ko Jhaqo will plead for the mercy they showed Eroeh. ”

I think she'll either let Drogon pounce on them both as soon as they're around we'll get to see how a dragon plays with its kill before it eats it, or more likely she'll punish them like the poisoner from king Robert and tie them to Drogon, then they can try running behind a (sometimes flying!) dragon until they die. I prefer the latter, more opportunity for badass dialog and she wants to hear them plead. :drool:

Also because of this part of vision she had in the HotU:

Beneath the Mother of Mountains, a line of naked crones crept from a great lake and knelt shivering before her, their grey heads bowed.

She might just get rid of or kill all the Khals. Its all the crones bowing to her! No Khals! The lake is most likely “The Womb of the World” where dothraki believe the first Khal and his horse came from. I think the crones are symbolically “re-birthing” the dothraki people by coming out of the womb of the world and kneeling at her feet. Probably as a people that recognizes the authority of crones' and Khaleesi' over the Khals'.

She can put the collective of crones in power across all her conquered cities, and the entire horde is hers. She's free to fly wherever she needs to after that and doesn't have to wait on her armies now. I sincerely hope I'm right so we can have more happen in her story.

This way would leave her a solution to the problem of leaving conquered cities under stable rulers. She'll have a distributed collective in charge across Essos that basically gets trained to rule when they become a Khaleesi of their own individual khalassars before going on to rule a population. Plus the khalassars now still have a long term purpose as a nomadic people because someone has to patrol and protect the continent.

[Aly]

Dany allowing them to live any longer than the time it takes her to get whatever useful information that she can get fron them shows weakness, IMHO. I don't believe that if the tables were turned he (Jhaqo) would hesitate for a second to get rid of her, whether it's Vaes Dothrak or death. I think that having dragons IS strength.