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I'm no friend of Balon Greyjoy, but he had no obligation to accept Robb Stark's alliance


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#1 Fetch me a block

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 02:12 PM

It was stupid to us and it was generally stupid as well considering how low the possibility was of gaining anything useful, but people forget Balon had a grudge on the Starks. Admittedly he should then have a grudge on the Baratheons and Lannisters too, and the fact he singles out the Starks is infuriating, but he had no moral obligation to kindly become Robb's lackey (and let's face it, he would be a lackey) just because he had given him back his son.

If someone had smashed down the walls of your home in an attack that had killed your son, would you be eager for an alliance with them, even if said smashing down of walls was ultimately your fault? No, I don't think so. So why should posters repeatedly label him as stupid just for refusing an alliance with the people he hated.

He was a nasty, ill-made spiteful creature full of envy and low cunning, but he was his own man and it is hardly surprising he rejected Stark's peace.

What does infuriate me is that he offered the Lannisters an alliance later on. They hurt you too, bro!

Btw, this isn't Ned-bashing or Stark-bashing, just so you all know.

Edited by Fetch me a block, 15 April 2013 - 05:18 PM.


#2 Lord Reaver

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 02:13 PM

I agree with this post 100%.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 02:16 PM

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 02:17 PM

OK, but I thought everyone agreed on this anyway....

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 02:18 PM

Quite honestly I don't think Balon really had a grudge on the Lannisters, which makes me think they didn't contribute much to stopping his rebellion. Mind you, he waited until Ned and Robert were dead to launch his attack, not Tywin.

That being said, I agree with your post. Balon was in no way wrong by rejecting Robb's terms. However, he proved an idiot in many other ways.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 02:22 PM

I agree Balon had no obligation. Theon is another matter.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 02:24 PM

Balon should have taken Theon's suggestion. Theon should have spilled Balons guts on the floor for refusing.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 02:26 PM

He wasn't stupid for the sole act of rejecting Robb's offer and that alone shouldn't be held against him.

He was an idiot for believing his retarded alternatives were better.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 02:26 PM

Balon should have taken Theon's suggestion. Theon should have spilled Balons guts on the floor for refusing.


So murdering your father (and becoming detested by all) is the right thing to do when he doesn't agree with your plan?

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 02:26 PM

Balon should have taken Theon's suggestion. Theon should have spilled Balons guts on the floor for refusing.

What makes you say that? Then Theon would be a kinslayer, accursed in the eyes of gods and men.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 02:26 PM

And been cursed as Kinslayer ? I dunno if he was quite that suicidal. Vic and Euron would have had him for lunch if he did that.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 02:26 PM

He wasn't stupid for the sole act of rejecting Robb's offer and that alone shouldn't be held against him.

He was an idiot for believing his retarded alternatives were better.

This. Balon is stupid per se, but not for the Stark rejection

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 02:27 PM

And been cursed as Kinslayer ? I dunno if he was quite that suicidal. Vic and Euron would have had him for lunch if he did that.

Breakfast, lunch and dinner. Though that would make them kinslayers too. Chicken or the egg situation

Edited by Fetch me a block, 15 April 2013 - 02:27 PM.


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Posted 15 April 2013 - 02:29 PM

What does infuriate me is that he offered the Lannisters an alliance later on. They hurt you too, bro!

Probably later on he grew desperate as Lannisters' position strengthened.

Edited by Turin Turambar, 15 April 2013 - 02:29 PM.


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Posted 15 April 2013 - 02:29 PM

Nobody also has moral obligation not to glue his palm to his forehead, and yet we laugh at those who do. The mind boggles.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 02:29 PM

Well, yeah, everything you said is true. I just wrote this in the "who screwed robb over thread" but it was fucking stupid of Robb to think that Balon would even accept his alliance at all. It was a lost cause, and Robb sent Balon back his own hostage so he had no reason not to rebel again.

Not to mention that if you want someone to treat with a previous enemy, maybe that enemy's own SON wasn't a great person to send. Any person with half a damn brain would have sent someone besides Theon.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 02:30 PM

I agree with OP.

As for Balon hating the Starks more than the Lannisters/Baratheons, Eddard is the man who took his remaining son from him, that has to count for something.

But yeah, he should have waited before crowing himself.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 02:30 PM

He had no obligation but if he wanted independence Starks were his only allies.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 02:33 PM

Balon just knew what was the losing side after seeing how Robb's offer was presented.

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Posted 15 April 2013 - 02:33 PM

He was a nasty, ill-made spiteful creature full of envy and low-cunning, but he was his own man and it is hardly surprising he rejected Stark's peace.

What does infuriate me is that he offered the Lannisters an alliance later on. They hurt you too, bro!

That sounds familiar, it's how a certain dwarf his described by his father... I agree btw.