Roadside Rose Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Why are so many people trying to help Arya out? It's like everybody else seems to look out for her more than her own family?- Syrio Forel (almost died for her)- Jaqen H'ghar- Mance Rayder??? (Why on earth would he try to rescue someone he thought was Arya?) Makes no sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dornishman's Wife Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Don't forget Yoren and the Hound - she does indeed get help from many places.Syrio seems to have been loyal to his employer and appalled at the Kingsguard paltry behaviour.Jaqen owes her his lifeMance is sent by Mel, who isn't interested in Arya, but knows that the heir to the North is of great political importance for her king and rescuing Arya means that Jon owes them a favourYoren probably thinks how the Starks are loyal to the NWThe Hound... hm, difficult to read that one. I do think it makes sense, but it probably requires a longer analysisAll of them have some kind of motive to help her, but they do go well beyond the call of duty in some cases (especially Syrio and Yoren I feel). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Winters Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 The Hound... hm, difficult to read that one. I do think it makes sense, but it probably requires a longer analysisMaybe it's because she's the sister of Sansa Stark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where is Rickon Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 I wonder if Mance knows that "Arya" is fake. He told Jon Snow that he was at Winterfell during King Robert visit and "took a look" at Lord Eddard's children. This and his interest in crypts and in how Theon took Winterfell make me feel rescuing "Arya" is not his only/main intention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcb Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Why are so many people trying to help Arya out? It's like everybody else seems to look out for her more than her own family?- Syrio Forel (almost died for her)- Jaqen H'ghar- Mance Rayder??? (Why on earth would he try to rescue someone he thought was Arya?) Makes no sense to me.Syrio, because that's what a dedicated teacher does. There have been real life examples.Jaqen, because she had saved his life first. That's huge debt to owe, and the Faceless Men take life especially serious.Mance, because at that point Melisandre owned him. And Mel sent Mance, because she needed Lord Snow on her side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Duncan of Flea Bottom Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 He's helping because Mel saved his life and she demanded he helps rescuing the Lord Commander's sister, maybe to gain afection from Jon, as we can see Melisandre has a huge interest in Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggs Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 I wonder if Mance knows that "Arya" is fake. He told Jon Snow that he was at Winterfell during King Robert visit and "took a look" at Lord Eddard's children. This and his interest in crypts and in how Theon took Winterfell make me feel rescuing "Arya" is not his only/main intentionthis never even occured to me tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagon Greyjoy Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 I think Mance Rayder wants to be both King Beyond the Wall and King in the North, especially now that the Wildlings have crossed the Wall. For that, he needs a Stark girl. Ramsay is so appalling that Mance could be willing to gamble the Northern lords would rather back him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modbelle Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 I wonder if Mance knows that "Arya" is fake. He told Jon Snow that he was at Winterfell during King Robert visit and "took a look" at Lord Eddard's children. This and his interest in crypts and in how Theon took Winterfell make me feel rescuing "Arya" is not his only/main intentionIt never dawned on me that he would be one of the people who could identify her. I thought there had to be some bannermen who knew what she looked like still in the North. Great catch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Turtle Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 It's either that Mel is holing his son, that Jon is trying to save his folk or he is an adrenalin junkie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naathi Prince Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Because he owes Melisandre his life, and she has seen Bran Stark and Rickon alive, and wants to check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Vallon Snow Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 IIRC the Hound wanted to ransom her to Robb for gold or maybe a positon in is campI think Mance kind of likes Jon even though he is a crow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team wench Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 IIRC the Hound wanted to ransom her to Robb for gold or maybe a positon in is campI think Mance kind of likes Jon even though he is a crowIt was still odd of his part, he wanted the money he says, but it was a big risk having her with him. He sohuld have left the BwB make the ransom and then ask for the money, make the negotations with people who forsureweren`t going totry and kill himor something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caris Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 I wonder if Mance knows that "Arya" is fake. He told Jon Snow that he was at Winterfell during King Robert visit and "took a look" at Lord Eddard's children. This and his interest in crypts and in how Theon took Winterfell make me feel rescuing "Arya" is not his only/main intentionYes. When I first read that I was thinking "well, they do need a good way to escape, and maybe Theon's ingress could work as an egress for them" but on further reading... he could just be looking for a way to get an army in. I'm thinking he has plans to take Winterfell, possibly with assistance. This, incidentally, is why I think he's the one who wrote that lovely note to Jon Snow: if Jon were to retaliate, it probably wouldn't be alone. Since a good percentage of the NW are skeptical of Jon's methods, he would probably bring potential allies (for Mance) along with him. I assume there would be an element of treachery involved.I might be way over-thinking this, but that's what I'm guessing is going to happen. As to the why of it, I don't know--maybe Mance is just tired of the Free Folk getting the short end of the stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicer Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Don't forget Yoren and the Hound - she does indeed get help from many places.The Hound... hm, difficult to read that one. I do think it makes sense, but it probably requires a longer analysisHow did the hound help Arya? She was his captive who he dragged along on his journey to to ransom her. She stuck with him because she had no choice and he was her best bet to get to her family. I doubt there was any altruistic reasons here. She left him as soon as he fell and went on her way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Broke Howard Hughes Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Arya has a lot of heart, people like that. Although I think Mance tries to save her because he respects Jon. And lets face it, the girl needed help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Man Has Said Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 As far as Yoren goes, he seems to know Ned pretty well, and he's certainly aware that Arya is Ned's daughter and Benjen's niece. There's nothing in the Night Watch's vows that says you can't help out a brother, in fact they encourage that sort of thing.And of course the Starks have a LONG history of being the greatest supporters of the NW. Bran the builder built the Wall and FOUNDED the order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon crow Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 [...]This, incidentally, is why I think he's the one who wrote that lovely note to Jon Snow: if Jon were to retaliate, it probably wouldn't be alone. Since a good percentage of the NW are skeptical of Jon's methods, he would probably bring potential allies (for Mance) along with him. I assume there would be an element of treachery involved.I might be way over-thinking this, but that's what I'm guessing is going to happen. As to the why of it, I don't know--maybe Mance is just tired of the Free Folk getting the short end of the stick.as soon as i read this my mind started racing at the possibilities. i had never considered that.but here's why i say no.mance knows what's beyond the wall and that it's no time for humans to be fighting amongst themselves.though, if he thinks the wall is impregnable and that they're all off the hook... i still doubt it. he likes jon.still, who else may have written the letter if not ramsay? hmmthank you for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet-N-SourRobin Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Because he's rescuing her from Winterfell.Mance loves himself an excuse to go on down to Winterfell incognito and snoop around. For what, we're still not sure. But he has a fascination with the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Direwolfsigil Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Mance doesn't know Jon switched the babes, but he and Melisandre have his "heir" and Mance wants to save his child either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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