King Aerys the Just Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 That is how I see it. RB overthrew the Targs, Stannis is Robert's true heir and he was given Dragonstone, by royal decree. Until RB's entire line of sucession, is killed off or defeated its still rightfully theirs. However, If I make the arguement that I just did; it allows me to make the same claim for the Mad King's line of heirs, with at least one known for sure, still alive. It's a bloody mess!! :bang:It's not a bloody mess at all. Dragonstone belongs to whoever holds it, simple as that. This is what right of conquest really is, not some hypocritical principle of "I took X thing by force so now it is mine, but nobody else has the right to do the same to me before Y amount of arbitrary criteria are met because blah blah blah".Stannis lost Dragonstone when the Tyrells and Lannisters stormed it and killed his garrison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garlan Marius Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 If the premises in the first post are true, then...Stannis as King on the Iron ThroneShireen as Princess of DragonstoneSeriously, fuck the Targaryens. Their legitimate claim to the throne went away with their dynasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon-Pale Maiden Posted April 23, 2013 Author Share Posted April 23, 2013 I suppose you could also look at it this way: If a previously unknown heir of House Darklyn showed up at the Dun Fort, no one would expect the Rykkers to move out. Unless said Darklyn had an army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All Starks go to heaven Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 If the premises in the first post are true, then...Stannis as King on the Iron ThroneShireen as Princess of DragonstoneSeriously, fuck the Targaryens. Their legitimate claim to the throne went away with their dynasty.Stannis is king of nothing at the moment. Tommen is the King on the Iron Throne and therefore, by the precedent set by all of the past Targaryens and Robert, Myrcella would be the Princess of Dragonstone. Its not that hard to comprehend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingerchu Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Heir apparent was only a practice performed by Targs, Stannis was given Dragonstone and Shireen would have inherited it. That being said if a Targ takes the IT they'd probably start it up again. If Aegon takes the throne Jon would get Dragonstone (if he's real and if Jon is verified as real), if Jon took the throne Aegon would be heir(until Jon has a child), if Dany took the throne (well I don't know who'd be heir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Winters Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Heir apparent was only a practice performed by Targs, Stannis was given Dragonstone and Shireen would have inherited it. That being said if a Targ takes the IT they'd probably start it up again. If Aegon takes the throne Jon would get Dragonstone (if he's real and if Jon is verified as real), if Jon took the throne Aegon would be heir(until Jon has a child), if Dany took the throne (well I don't know who'd be heirIf Jon somehow gets the Iron Throne Dany will be his heir, as she's younger, until he produces a male heir. If (F)Aegon is king then his Targ heir would also be Dany until he produces an heir. I don't know who'd be Dany's heir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingerchu Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 If Jon somehow gets the Iron Throne Dany will be his heir, as she's younger, until he produces a male heir. If (F)Aegon is king then his Targ heir would also be Dany until he produces an heir. I don't know who'd be Dany's heir.My bad I forgot that the 'no females on the throne' rule went out the window when Robert took over :L so yes Dany would be Jon's heir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Aerys the Just Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 My bad I forgot that the 'no females on the throne' rule went out the window when Robert took over :L so yes Dany would be Jon's heirIf Jon becomes king that would be as part of a Targaryen restoration, in which case they'd probably reinstate the old Targaryen traditions of succession again too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maegor the Cuddly Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 It's a title for the heirs to the throne. Basically, whoever is heir gets that title, then they become king, and give it to their heir, and so on. It's like a "Prince of Wales" title England has for their heirs, but with a small-scale training for running a kingdom! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Eater Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Dragonstone has traditionally belonged to the heir apparent to the IT, so Dragonstone would be Jon's rightful seat until he is crowned King, then it would pass to Dany until Jon fathers any children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locke and key Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 seeing as by being a bastard, jon is not part of the line of succesion, dany is actually (f) aegons heir, so therefore, if aegon becomes king dany will be heir. however, seeing as I Imagine aegon would marry dany to secure his claim through her dragons and armies. In which case he might make jon his provisional heir until he had kids and give him dragonstone the same way stannis was gonna make renly his heir till he had a son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Eater Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 seeing as by being a bastard, jon is not part of the line of succesion, dany is actually (f) aegons heir, so therefore, if aegon becomes king dany will be heir. however, seeing as I Imagine aegon would marry dany to secure his claim through her dragons and armies. In which case he might make jon his provisional heir until he had kids and give him dragonstone the same way stannis was gonna make renly his heir till he had a son.FAegon will never be king. Dany won't marry Aegon, but battle him in the Dance of Dragons 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Winters Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 FAegon will never be king. Dany won't marry Aegon, but battle him in the Dance of Dragons 2.(F)Aegon will have taken the throne by the time Dany gets to Westeros and then start another DoD to win the throne from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Eater Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 (F)Aegon will have taken the throne by the time Dany gets to Westeros and then start another DoD to win the throne from him.I don't think so, he will need time to gather a large enough force to take KL and face the combined force of the Tyrells and Lannisters. By the time he actually he does, Dany will arrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Winters Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 I don't think so, he will need time to gather a large enough force to take KL and face the combined force of the Tyrells and Lannisters. By the time he actually he does, Dany will arrive.I think she'll deal with Stannis first, then deal with (F)Aegon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eating My Wings Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 And conquest is exactly what Loras Tyrell's forces have done to Dragonstone in AFFC. Hence, Stannis is out.They defeated Stan-Usurper, which has nothing to do with Stan-Rightful King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FattyPeon Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 I must have got confused between Polygamy and First Night.. It was First Night that King J outlawed. Still, I would hope that R & L weren't married, because so much of Jon's personality/character is drawn from the fact that he's a bastardWhether he actually is a bastard or not isn't whats important, only that he lived thinking he was. Hes a great guy, a bit emo, but generally awesome. Thats who he is regardless of whatever he might find out about his origins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FattyPeon Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 I don't think so, he will need time to gather a large enough force to take KL and face the combined force of the Tyrells and Lannisters. By the time he actually he does, Dany will arrive.KL would be a piece of cake to take from the inside. Varys knows secret ways, and he supports Aegon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Eater Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 KL would be a piece of cake to take from the inside. Varys knows secret ways, and he supports Aegon.He won't take KL, because he will have to deal with Dany in the second Dance of Dragons. He doesn't know that Varys would help him into the city until he arrives at Kl which he won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artos Stark Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 As said before, the crown owns Dragonstone and the heir to the throne is generally Prince (or Princess) of Dragonstone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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