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I've seen in your reviews you've also singled out Dormer and her portrayal of Margaery as something you're not a fan of.

Much as I said earlier, they've basically given her the role of Anne Boleyn from The Tudors and transplanted it to Westeros. It's unfortunate, but the similarities make it all rather boring. I'm sure she's a fine actress, but based on these two roles alone, I'd think she has a limited range and the writers are just writing to that. That bothers me, since it doesn't really do her a service, and given the tawdriness and shallowness of The Tudors, I don't think it's something they want to bring to mind.

I also, I admit, find quite a lot of dissonance between her age and her role, and the way she interacts with Sansa. The "porridge plague" scene, for example, would have worked much better with an actor nearer to Sophie Turner's age.

I keep wondering how a different Tudors actress -- Sarah Bolger, who did such a fine job as Princess Mary -- might have done in the role. She could play it pretty much the same as Dormer does, but without the mannerisms that recall Dormer's Anne Boleyn. It would have been interesting to see.

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I alwas felt like we should have more info on margery. D&D have flushed out her character well and it translates to the screen.

It'd be impossible to have a woman that will marry 3 kings on tv without the audience understanding why, which doesnt come across in the books. Her appeal didnt translate other than bringing highgarden.

Now as to the actress, she's ok, but like ran, i feel like she always plays the same character.

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In the minority, but definitely prefer book Margaery. If I want to see Anne Boeyln I can watch Tudors. I like the subtlety book Marg has. And yeah, Dormer is too old for Margaery. She looks young for age, but carries herself in a way that it's obvious she is 30+ and it doesn't mix well with Sansa. She's also not that terrific of an actress based on what I've seen in these two roles. She's exactly the same in both.

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Much as I said earlier, they've basically given her the role of Anne Boleyn from The Tudors and transplanted it to Westeros. It's unfortunate, but the similarities make it all rather boring. I'm sure she's a fine actress, but based on these two roles alone, I'd think she has a limited range and the writers are just writing to that. That bothers me, since it doesn't really do her a service, and given the tawdriness and shallowness of The Tudors, I don't think it's something they want to bring to mind.

I also, I admit, find quite a lot of dissonance between her age and her role, and the way she interacts with Sansa. The "porridge plague" scene, for example, would have worked much better with an actor nearer to Sophie Turner's age.

I keep wondering how a different Tudors actress -- Sarah Bolger, who did such a fine job as Princess Mary -- might have done in the role. She could play it pretty much the same as Dormer does, but without the mannerisms that recall Dormer's Anne Boleyn. It would have been interesting to see.

Fair enough. I never watched The Tudors (because I was told it sucked) so I guess I'm not carrying that baggage into watching her performance on this show. I also think that while Dormer is 30, she looks much younger and I think she's supposed to be playing a character in their early 20's on the show (which she can pull off). So the age difference with Sansa, for example doesn't appear as pronounced to me.

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I don't even think she is playing it any different then book margaery. If season 2 threesome scene and I want to be the queen scene doesn't happen, we would all be saying how sweet Margaery is. I think its just an awesome portrayal. I agree with the notion that she is having the same eyeopening portrayal that alfie gave to Theon last year.

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They lucked out that Sophie is really starting to look old for her age, but there is still almost a 15 year age difference. It's never going to mesh with me because I always imagine Margaery as a girl just about a year older than Sansa.

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I don't even think she is playing it any different then book margaery. If season 2 threesome scene and I want to be the queen scene doesn't happen, we would all be saying how sweet Margaery is. I think its just an awesome portrayal. I agree with the notion that she is having the same eyeopening portrayal that alfie gave to Theon last year.

Dormer as good as Alfie as Theon????? Wow. I wouldnt say the Dormer is anywhere near the top 5 actors in the series. Alfie is.

Margery really isnt that tough a role. Be nice, sly looks... Look a little wiser than much younger people..

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My concern with Margaery is whether or not she knows Joffrey will die during the PW, the Queen of Thornes was told the awfulness of Joffrey but will she extend her plans to end his life w/ her granddaughter? I wonder this. Often, in public places.

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My concern with Margaery is whether or not she knows Joffrey will die during the PW, the Queen of Thornes was told the awfulness of Joffrey but will she extend her plans to end his life w/ her granddaughter? I wonder this. Often, in public places.

My assumption when reading the books was that Margaery was aware of the plot but was not an active participant in its execution. She'd have to be pretty dumb (and that's not a characteristic that would be consistent on the show or the books) to be unaware that Joffrey's death was probably orchestrated in part by her awesome, scheming grandmother.

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TV Margaery is what I always imagined Book Margaery should be and was supposed to be, only more obviously so because we see her more.

That, if GRRM were doing all over again, this is how he'd do it. Starting earlier and making it more obvious/on camera (and Margaery is a presence and has more agency at an earlier narrative point in the show than she does in the books).

She's everything I've wanted the character to be. Dormer turning in such a quality performance certainly doesn't hurt matters (two episodes in and I was already calling for them to just concede the Emmy to her Right Now).

It is as if my headcanon has become actual canon. You can imagine how pleased that makes me :)

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I find the TV show character feels too much like Anne Boelyn from The Tudors. Which is not surprising, but not exactly desirable.

This is an itch that won't go away, is it?

I don't see why since Natalie Dormer played Anne Boelyn this comparison keeps coming up.

Almost guilt by association?

Dave and Dan have decided to put the Tyrells (at least two of them) more explicitly in the game, playing Machiavellian pieces. George had them there but a not as out front.

Well I do like the new Margaery and Lady Olenna engaging in the game on stage more that as in the books.

I saw The Tutors, didn't like it, but no, personal opinion, Natalie Dormer's Margaery does not remind me of Anne Boelyn.

Once again what D and D have written has been done.... I hope this argument will go away.

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What if the PW was actually an attempt to poison Tyrion to get Sansa away from him and marry her to a Tyrell? I've seen that theory thrown around ... maybe poisoning Joff was just a happy accident (if it was the pie that was poisoned, and not the wine).

I thought it was pretty clear that the wine was what was poisoned based on its color.

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Much as I said earlier, they've basically given her the role of Anne Boleyn from The Tudors and transplanted it to Westeros. It's unfortunate, but the similarities make it all rather boring. I'm sure she's a fine actress, but based on these two roles alone, I'd think she has a limited range and the writers are just writing to that. That bothers me, since it doesn't really do her a service, and given the tawdriness and shallowness of The Tudors, I don't think it's something they want to bring to mind.

I also, I admit, find quite a lot of dissonance between her age and her role, and the way she interacts with Sansa. The "porridge plague" scene, for example, would have worked much better with an actor nearer to Sophie Turner's age.

I keep wondering how a different Tudors actress -- Sarah Bolger, who did such a fine job as Princess Mary -- might have done in the role. She could play it pretty much the same as Dormer does, but without the mannerisms that recall Dormer's Anne Boleyn. It would have been interesting to see.

I think they are pretty blatantly trying to play down Dormers age by like 10 years or so. She doesn't look much older than Sophie by any means.

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I did not watch the Tudors, so f that.

TV Marge delights me. She is so skilled at manipulating Joff, I just love her. I don't know who the actress is, but I did not need convincing that TV Marge is only 20 years old or so, maybe even 19.

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I guess I'm glad I never saw The Tudors. That being said I think Dormer is doing a fantastic job. She doesn't seem more than 5 years or 6 older than Sansa, which is fine for me since she's shown to be much stronger and less naive than teenage Sansa.

Although it will be a little funny to see her supposedly having to marry Tommen.

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Much as I said earlier, they've basically given her the role of Anne Boleyn from The Tudors and transplanted it to Westeros. It's unfortunate, but the similarities make it all rather boring. I'm sure she's a fine actress, but based on these two roles alone, I'd think she has a limited range and the writers are just writing to that. That bothers me, since it doesn't really do her a service, and given the tawdriness and shallowness of The Tudors, I don't think it's something they want to bring to mind.

I also, I admit, find quite a lot of dissonance between her age and her role, and the way she interacts with Sansa. The "porridge plague" scene, for example, would have worked much better with an actor nearer to Sophie Turner's age.

The fact that she has portrayed similar roles shouldn't make any difference as to whether its a good performance in the show. Robert De Niro often plays gangsters, doesn't mean that he isn't brilliant in the Untouchables, Casino, Goodfellas and once Upon a Time in America. If anything, it just means that she has more experience. Also, its not like there is much to Margaery in the books.

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Much as I said earlier, they've basically given her the role of Anne Boleyn from The Tudors and transplanted it to Westeros. It's unfortunate, but the similarities make it all rather boring. I'm sure she's a fine actress, but based on these two roles alone, I'd think she has a limited range and the writers are just writing to that. That bothers me, since it doesn't really do her a service, and given the tawdriness and shallowness of The Tudors, I don't think it's something they want to bring to mind.

I also, I admit, find quite a lot of dissonance between her age and her role, and the way she interacts with Sansa. The "porridge plague" scene, for example, would have worked much better with an actor nearer to Sophie Turner's age.

I keep wondering how a different Tudors actress -- Sarah Bolger, who did such a fine job as Princess Mary -- might have done in the role. She could play it pretty much the same as Dormer does, but without the mannerisms that recall Dormer's Anne Boleyn. It would have been interesting to see.

When I heard they were casting her I was hoping it wouldn't be as another Anne Boleyn but I guest that's the role they wanted and got an actress that played that role before. I'm not a fan of tyrell or marg but I prefer the subtlety of book marg because you never get first hand view of what she's really like. I don't like how obvious it is to viewers that she's playing them but the ones being played are oblivious feels too much like soap tv when they stare at the screen. And I find Dormer as a Rachel character.

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I like TV Margaery and the actress portraying her a lot. I think it was a good choice to make her a more prominent character, because this will make her future storyline (the arrest, Cersei accusing her) much more interesting. TV Margaery makes me wonder whether she really is the younger queen that will cast Cersei down. Maybe that is why they are fleshing her character out more on the show. The only thing I have in mind is that I hope she does not take away too much screentime from other characters. Maybe I'm wrong but I feel she has already gotten quite a lot of screentime in S3, I think it is time to focus on some other characters more now, since I asumme and hope that the PW will not be in S3.

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The only part I disagreed with is the statement that she felt like a pawn in the books. I never felt that. Just felt she was potentially a clever player that was being guided well by the Queen of Thorns in how to play the game to advance her family

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