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Does Jojen Know About Jon's Parentage?


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#1 sashas89

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 01:16 PM

I can't remember reading it in the books, but in the series, Jojen tells Bran that he saw the day Howland Reed saved Eddard's life. Because Jojen can see things in the past with his greensight, there is a chance that he could have witnessed the events of the Tower of Joy and Lyanna's death. In that case, he would know Jon's true parentage.

Could Jojen be the one to reveal to Bran about Jon's identity? Is that the reason why they made Sam promise them not to tell Jon about Bran's survival (knowing that Jon may be pulled into the war due to his birth)?

Alternatively, could Bran learn about Jon's parentage through his greensight?

Also, what do you make of the name of Bran's wolf? Summer is an apt name for the wolf of a would-be demigod. Could Bran be the one to stop the Others and end the Long Night?

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 01:20 PM

Wow, so many questions.
Well, I don't think Jojen knows exactly what happened, but he knows there is a big secret being kept.
Yes, I think Bran will see snippets of what happened and he will figure out that R+L=J.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 01:27 PM

I think it's possible that Jojen does know about Jon's parentage, I don't think Howland Reed would have sent his two children across war-torn Westeros if there was not good reason. Also, although the Crannogmen are known to be shy and secretive to outsiders, we have no reason to expect that this extends to inter-Crannogmen relations. I.e. I have always thought of Jojen and Meera as quite mature for their age, so perhaps Howland would have told them.

As to whether or not Jojen will ever meet Jon, I'm not so sure. I think it's possible that Jojen could tell Bran about his heritage, but why would he? Bran is evidently forging his own story which may/may not have greater significance than Jon's.

By calling Bran's wolf ''Summer'' GRRM could mean any number of things. It could merely be a reference to Bran's own nature - ''sweet summer child'', or it could be something deeper. One of the first interpretations in-universe we see is that these wolves were sent by the Gods, in which case I wonder if they (or Bloodraven) did or did not have some greater plan for Bran, and his sudden idea to name the wolf 'Summer' (after a long time spent with the TEC, no less) is a nod to his future in the depths of Winter, where the wolf who gives him strength is also the memory of all that he is fighting for - Summer.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 01:35 PM

Yes I think Jojen knows what happened at the ToJ and told Howland and he explained it more to Jojen so he knows every detail.
I think though that Bran will see through this Greensight and try and contact Jon in some way and tell him if he can.
Bran will be an important person in the fight against The Others, telling Jon more about The Others and how to defeat them. And maybe Bran will warg some animals and fight The Others with them.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 01:38 PM

Yes, I believe so, otherwise I see no real reason for Howland Reed to send his children to Winterfell.
I think Bran could figure it all out as well though with bits and pieces of events he sees through the Weirwood.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 04:37 PM

Well if bran ate Jojen, could he somehow gain jojens knowledge of Jon's parentage?

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 04:45 PM

I think the name of Bran's wolf was prophetic, he did name him because he could feel the warmth from the wolf's eyes when he awoke in the cold of his room. Bran has already communicated with Jon through the weirwood and I suspect he did so for a reason. That reason could be that he knows Jon's parentage and Jon's purpose because when he contacted Jon he did so back in time. It was not something he did in the present.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 04:51 PM

I noticed in my re-read that Jojen found it very strange that Bran did not know the story of the knight of the laughing tree, asking several times if he was sure he never heard it.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 04:52 PM

Well if bran ate Jojen, could he somehow gain jojens knowledge of Jon's parentage?


Don't start.

Jojen knows. Meera knows. Jyana probably knows.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:31 PM

Don't start.

I joke of course,it has to be one of the weirdest theories I've ever heard.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:57 PM

I noticed in my re-read that Jojen found it very strange that Bran did not know the story of the knight of the laughing tree, asking several times if he was sure he never heard it.

He found it odd that Ned never spoke at length about Lyanna and that period of the Stark family history with his children.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:59 PM

Ned also tried to tell Bran something about Jon, so it could be that Bran learned it from Ned or Jojen.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:59 PM

I joke of course,it has to be one of the weirdest theories I've ever heard.


lack of sarcasm font ruins everything /wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />

Yes I think Jojen knows what happened at the ToJ and told Howland and he explained it more to Jojen so he knows every detail.
I think though that Bran will see through this Greensight and try and contact Jon in some way and tell him if he can.
Bran will be an important person in the fight against The Others, telling Jon more about The Others and how to defeat them. And maybe Bran will warg some animals and fight The Others with them.


I reeeeeeeaaaaallllllllyyyyyyyyyyyy want this to be true /biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />

Edited by bbstark, 07 May 2013 - 06:00 PM.


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Posted 06 April 2014 - 01:35 PM

Game of Thrones Season 3 Episode 2:
 
Bran: When my father died, I dreamt it.
Jojen: You didn't dream it. You saw it. So did I.
Bran: You have the sight, too?
Jojen : When I told my father about your father, for the first time in my life, I saw him cry.
Bran : Your father is Howland Reed. He saved my father’s life during the rebellion.
Jojen : Your father told you about the rebellion? Mine never did. But I saw that too.
 
Did Jojen see Howland save Ned or did Jojen just see parts of Robert's Rebellion?  Can Jojen see the past clearly and just the future murky or is this a deviation from the book? I don't recall him having the ability to see the past in the book.   If he could see the past clearly he could tell Bran how he fell.  I am not sure how I feel about Jojen's green sight letting him see the past.
 
Also interesting, in the book Jojen is shocked Ned never told Bran the story of the Knight of the Laughing Tree whereas in the show Bran is shocked Howland never told Jojen about saving Ned.  


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Posted 06 April 2014 - 01:41 PM

What people don't know is that Howland is Jojen, he is not only blessed\cursed with greendreams, but with eternal youth

 

Jojen only sees what Bloodraven wants him to see.


Edited by The Kinkslayer, 06 April 2014 - 01:42 PM.


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Posted 06 April 2014 - 01:59 PM


Don't start.

Jojen knows. Meera knows. Jyana probably knows.


Yeah, they know and so does Bowen Marsh, he is Jyana's brother after all.

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Posted 06 April 2014 - 02:18 PM

What people don't know is that Howland is Jojen, he is not only blessed\cursed with greendreams, but with eternal youth

One of my favorite theories.
 
Jojen only sees what Bloodraven wants him to see.



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Posted 06 April 2014 - 02:23 PM

From the text, it seemed to me that Eddard kept more secrets from his children than Howland did with his, particularly about the Tower of Joy. (This is understandable though - the Crannogmen keep to themselves, and also seem somewhat ostracized by the rest of society; not likely to be the source of rumour-mongering.)



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Posted 06 April 2014 - 02:41 PM

A big no Jojon doesn't know who's Jon's mother is. 1 there isn't any weir trees in Dorne.2 Eddard's promise to Lyanna would also bind Howland Reed and, that is only if R+L= J.3 Howland Reed doesn't seem like a gossiper.



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Posted 06 April 2014 - 02:51 PM

I hope he's the one that tells him because that would mean he's alive.