[TV/BOOK SPOILERS] - TWoP Unsullied Thread - Part 5.

[Arkash]

Plus maybe those that watch the previews think that the big event will be Yunkai since those scenes look like they'll be awesome.

And Queenscrown !

Six storyline next episode only ! (Sam, Jon, Bran, Robb, Arya, Dany)... and all of them will be pure episode 9 moments !

[Lord_Ravenstone]

I feel like the leech scenes was a bad idea.

It made it so obvious that these guys are going to bite it.

[Cybvep]

Then it was obvious in the books, too, because GRRM was the one who invented this scene.

BTW the RW wasn't oh-so-surprising to me in the books. There were many signs which indicated that sth bad was about to happen - Cat's feelings, Grey Wind's behaviour etc.

[Mendoza]

I like the leech scene because they all died because of the direct murder of people working towards their own goals. They didn't just spontaneously combust or something along those lines, so is Mel the real deal or did she just get lucky? I'm sure the Unsullied will have fun chewing on that question when the time comes.

[Peasant Rebel Leader]

How is that a problem? Most likely, we will see a lot of Daario and it's good that he is not as ridiculous as in the books, because that would be unbearable on screen. Don't worry, many viewers still want Dany to hook up with Ser Jorah. They will hate it when she banishes him, although no doubt some will say that he deserved it.

It's not really a problem, I fear it's just a bit too soon compared to the books. If it takes the same time as in the books, it will drag not or rather: not be a suprise at all. In the books, the readers are reminded of Dany's emotional age when she likes Daario, it brings her down from her pedestal. It will not be quite like that here. Which is okay, but I liked flamboyant Daario. :) (He can still be that of course :))

LOL, one of the summer children thinks that if Robb wins the war, he could annul Sansa's marriage so she could get married again but under the Old Gods.

Well, maybe not annulled, but divorced for sure. Actually, I bet he could say it was forced and annul the marriage. I think that's a real possibility, if he wins the war :)

Do you think the quality of an episode correlates to the quality of discussion on TWoP? Could this be a somewhat objective measure of how good a show is?

If you get a bunch of posts saying: enough with the torture porn already, and not so many speculative, "what does this scene, or that image, or this line, mean for the future of these characters? So that's what the stuff in previous episodes / seasons was leading up to!" does this objectively indicate whether the episode has done things well or badly?

Yes and No. It's an interesting indicator of how well the show manages to tell its story and bring the important plot points across. And if these hyperanalysts don't get it, what do the casual viewers think who are the majority. Did they get that Mel wants to burn Gendry? This is different from the misdirects (connecting the ravens to the White Walker for example), in that I think the show wants us to get this.

And of course the answer is no as well since the show is best binge watched with a few episodes after another or with only a few days between them. So it's not that bad if at first you don't get it. Though how many casual viewers buy the blu-rays? (I'd say quite a few since they get that the show is best watched in a marathon, but by far not all of them).

Other observations on the show:

- The show succeeded with the Rains/Reynes of Castamere story after all, as apparently it shifted the target to the Tyrells. Also, they downplayed Lady Olenna making the Tyrells seem less of a threat and thereby also explaining why the Tyrells go after Joffrey (and not Tywin) afterwards.

- I doubted that the show will want to include the leech scene, as it's a clear prediction. But apparently after the reactions of the unsullied, it wasn't as bad as it was done so nonchalantly. Let's wait how they dissect that scene in the next 2 weeks :)

- The name of the dragons is a clear fail by the show: Drogon is not named Dracarys after all... Tzz.. Though other unsullied just seemed to correct the other one. Dracarys is a command :)

- Also, too many characters seem to not have been namedropped enough on the show to explain they still exist: Tommen, Alliser Thorne, Lancel and so on.

[Cybvep]

The only way to "fix" Alliser Thorne is to assume that he arrived to KL off-screen and then went back to the Wall.

The Unsullied indeed love to hyperanlyze things, but that's part of the fun. Sometimes they get bogged down in pointless discussion, but that's to be expected. Podrick joke was just that - a lame attempt at humour, but of course, the Unsullied created many conspiracy theories about that <rotfl>.

I was very annoyed when one user came up with some ridiculous numbers for army sizes some time ago. He/she obviously wanted to sound like an expert on the subject, but some of their "logic" was cringe-worthy and their was making so many strange assumptions that I was rolling my eyes. Sometimes it's hard to resist the temptation to go there, register an account and scream :D. Admittedly, the show didn't present the war situation clearly, though.

[ebevan91]

Is Dracaris the dragon's name? I thought it was some kind of command that means "burn some shit."

No bitch it means fucking burn some shit. :laugh:

When is Dany going to name her dragons on the show anyway? Has to episode 9 or 10 right, because in one of those interviews or whatever, they said the dragons will be named and we'll even learn of their personalities.

[The Anti-Targ]

The interesting thing is that the episode seems to have thrown off there expectations for next episode. I don't see as many Robbs about die posts. I thought tying the Rains of Castamere story to the Tyrells was a really nice touch byt the show as it introduced it in a nonstark centric way literally the episode before the RW, when one would think the story would ring too many alarm bells.

If anything, even though most don't like Mel, the leeching scene has cemented Robb's death in their collective minds that saying he's gonna die is like saying water is wet. They've created the Leech list and Robb is right there. The only squirming being done is a desperate attempt to try to have Mel proved wrong by Robb not dying in order to prevent Stannis from authorising Gendry's burning.

[DarkAndFullOfTurnips]

If anything, even though most don't like Mel, the leeching scene has cemented Robb's death in their collective minds that saying he's gonna die is like saying water is wet. They've created the Leech list and Robb is right there. The only squirming being done is a desperate attempt to try to have Mel proved wrong by Robb not dying in order to prevent Stannis from authorising Gendry's burning.

All this stuff happens in the books but it's really the manner of how everything happens that's shocking and upsetting. The only problem is they've waited until E9 which is the "Shit goes down" episode so it's definitely far too obvious. I wish they had time to do it in E7 so it was a true surprise, but given the point of the other stories by E7 there's no way I suppose they could've squeezed it in and still have the correct converging and distant storylines in the right place.

[Groney]

All this stuff happens in the books but it's really the manner of how everything happens that's shocking and upsetting. The only problem is they've waited until E9 which is the "Shit goes down" episode so it's definitely far too obvious. I wish they had time to do it in E7 so it was a true surprise, but given the point of the other stories by E7 there's no way I suppose they could've squeezed it in and still have the correct converging and distant storylines in the right place.

The red wedding WILL be a true surprise to the majority of viewers. Trust me. I don't think the showrunners have telegraphed Robb's death at all.

[insertname]

The only way to "fix" Alliser Thorne is to assume that he arrived to KL off-screen and then went back to the Wall.

The Unsullied indeed love to hyperanlyze things, but that's part of the fun. Sometimes they get bogged down in pointless discussion, but that's to be expected. Podrick joke was just that - a lame attempt at humour, but of course, the Unsullied created many conspiracy theories about that <rotfl>.

I was very annoyed when one user came up with some ridiculous numbers for army sizes some time ago. He/she obviously wanted to sound like an expert on the subject, but some of their "logic" was cringe-worthy and their was making so many strange assumptions that I was rolling my eyes. Sometimes it's hard to resist the temptation to go there, register an account and scream :D. Admittedly, the show didn't present the war situation clearly, though.

Well, army numbers are pretty fucked up in the show tbh. Or rather, mostly not the numbers but how exactly those armies were raised - Are they mostly peasants, or at least somewhat trained soldiers etc.

[Xall]

- The show succeeded with the Rains/Reynes of Castamere story after all, as apparently it shifted the target to the Tyrells. Also, they downplayed Lady Olenna making the Tyrells seem less of a threat and thereby also explaining why the Tyrells go after Joffrey (and not Tywin) afterwards.

Well, some Unsullied are not as easily "shifted," as one of them said:

"Rains of Castermere" is about a family that tried to challenge the Lannisters...Robb wants to take Casterly Rock...

Uh oh...Robb is screwed. Really, really screwed.

[BlackTalon]

The Unsullied are really an exception from the rule, regarding their involvement in the show and how much they analyze everything ... I still think the great majority of all viewers will be totally suckerpunched by the RW.

[franko99]

And Queenscrown !

Six storyline next episode only ! (Sam, Jon, Bran, Robb, Arya, Dany)... and all of them will be pure episode 9 moments !

I don't think Sam will be next episode, I think coldhands was cut from the show, Sam won't show up until ep 10

The Unsullied are really an exception from the rule, regarding their involvement in the show and how much they analyze everything ... I still think the great majority of all viewers will be totally suckerpunched by the RW.

This, most casual viewers will be shock by the Red Wedding

[protar]

I don't think Sam will be next episode, I think coldhands was cut from the show, Sam won't show up until ep 10

Why include the ravens then? And why strip anything away from Bran's already sparse season 4 material? Cutting CH makes no sense whatsoever especially if he is revealed to be someone significant.

[ebevan91]

How the hell do they figure out stuff like this?

And, if it turns out that Jon Snow's father is someone with royal blood, the vision could be about him. He's also in a better position to fight the WWs and he's actually killed an ice zombie.

I've read the books and have watched the first 2 seasons multiple times and season 3 twice, and I never even thought of Jon's parents being Rhaegar and Lyanna (or someone else besides them or Ned) until near the end of the 5th book.

They're basically saying Jon (or Gendry) is the Warrior of Light (Azor Ahai).

[franko99]

Why include the ravens then? And why strip anything away from Bran's already sparse season 4 material? Cutting CH makes no sense whatsoever especially if he is revealed to be someone significant.

Oh yeah I totally agree with you, but I'm not David Benioff nor D.B. Weiss, I'm just saying what I think might happen, not what I would like to happen :dunno:

[Nick_Scryer]

Why include the ravens then? And why strip anything away from Bran's already sparse season 4 material? Cutting CH makes no sense whatsoever especially if he is revealed to be someone significant.

I'm with you I hope they don't cut Coldhands but the Ravens could easily be Bloodraven watching over Sam and that = No need for extra actor yet.

[spork]

Who know, it could even be about Danaerys. She's definitely got royal blood and .... dragons! What better weapon to fight ice zombies? I think it would be hilarious if all these religious wackos were sent to another continent on a vision mission when the object of the vision was a woman and basically right under their noses.

Wait til Aemon reveals dragons are gender neutral, and so is that prophecy. These folks sure are keen on the big moves of the story.

[spork]

I'm with you I hope they don't cut Coldhands but the Ravens could easily be Bloodraven watching over Sam and that = No need for extra actor yet.

Yeah, but I think CH could be played by an extra. Remember he wraps his face most of the time. I guess he does have a few speaking bits, but maybe the show could work around it, then cast an actual actor for next season.