AegonSnow Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 Is it possible the letter was actually sent by a person FROM the WALL or even beyond?) that wanted to lure Jon into a trap?Alliser ThorneMelisandre, to ensure Stannis's as AATormund Giantsbane?Wick Wittlestick?Bowen Marsh?Stannis, after defeating Bolton, goes into the crypts and discovers R+L = J, decides to take out the competition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jongtu Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 I believe it was sent by Ramsay before the battle of Winterfell. The reason is he ask for his Reek back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorah the Andal Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 Tormund? lol first time Ive heard that. I don't think Stannis is the type tbh. Could be either of the others, but they'd have to know about the Reek escape, Mance being in Winterfell under a guise. etc.I think Ramsay wrote it, but he's just lying about defeating Stannis. In a nutshell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanml82 Posted May 23, 2013 Share Posted May 23, 2013 I don't think anyone at the Wall would know who Reek is and that Mance is alive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AegonSnow Posted May 24, 2013 Author Share Posted May 24, 2013 I don't think anyone at the Wall would know who Reek is and that Mance is aliveMelisandre...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barristan the G.O.A.T Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 Melisandre...?To be honest Melisandre was warning Jon that enemies were all around. I don't think she was setting him up. Her motive is to find Azor Ahai. If she discovers its Jon she wouldn't kill him to ensure Stannis because it doesn't work like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkAndFullOfTurnips Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 Melisandre...?I doubt very much that she's seen Reek and Ramsey in her fires, or at least enough to know his manner and how much he wants him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagon Greyjoy Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 I believe it was sent by Ramsay before the battle of Winterfell. The reason is he ask for his Reek back.Would Ramsay be profoundly stupid enough to goad Jon into marching South when he already has Stannis at the gates? Why would he want his enemy getting reinforcements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus Leek Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 I'm guessing that Ramsay wrote it after his force was defeated by Stannis' and retreated inside the walls. Ramsay (or at least his men) probably would have seen the sword. Too bad Jon freaked out and assumed that Stannis was dead based on no evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Knight of Grey Garden Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 Does Ramsay really know how to write ? I mean he has been educated by his low born mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jongtu Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 Would Ramsay be profoundly stupid enough to goad Jon into marching South when he already has Stannis at the gates? Why would he want his enemy getting reinforcements?Probably. We don't know of Stannis feigned defeat with the assistance of Manderly. It could be a ruse as already stated. However who really wins with Jon leaving? Any number of possibilities could have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redviper9 Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 I doubt that the Pink Letter was written by someone at the Wall. There's just far too much information in the letter that wasn't common knowledge at the Wall, in particular the following items:*That "Abel" was actually a disguised Mance Rayder sent by Jon and Melisandre to rescue "Arya" (this information was only known to Jon, Mel, Mance, and the spearwives; no one beyond them was aware of the plan).*That Ramsay had lost "Reek"*The use of pink sealing waxThough others at the Wall may actually be quite aware that the Dreadfort uses pink sealing wax, we get the impression throughout ADwD that supplies are running low and that Jon is keenly aware of what the Watch does -- and doesn't -- have. I'm sure his eyebrows would have been raised if all of a sudden somebody requested pink sealing wax instead of the standard black (and since most, if not all of the correspondence at Castle Black goes through Jon, it's probably safe to assume that he's aware of the sealing wax situation).ETA: Also, Tormund is illiterate, so that automatically rules him out as the Pink Letter's writer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 Whoever wrote the note has to:1. Know about Ramsay and "Arya's" wedding.2. Know about Theon being Reek.3. Know that Mance Rayder wasn't the one who was executed.4. Know about Val, Selyse, Shireen and the baby.5. Know about Stannis's "magic" sword.It's either Ramsay using info from Mance, or Mance himself. Just about everyone else is missing critical information, especially on points 2 and 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRON BANK Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 Tormund? lol first time Ive heard that. I don't think Stannis is the type tbh. Could be either of the others, but they'd have to know about the Reek escape, Mance being in Winterfell under a guise. etc.I think Ramsay wrote it, but he's just lying about defeating Stannis. In a nutshell.Exactly and summed up well. Its Either Ramsay or Mance, my money is on Ramsay if Mance was successful I doubt he would write a letter so vague about his results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buried Treasure Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 logistically a letter from the Wall does not work. Clydas brought the letter and Clydas tends the ravens so he would have known that a raven was arriving from the south. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Wrytre Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 Does Ramsay really know how to write ? I mean he has been educated by his low born mother.He doesn't have to know how to write. He can dictate the letter to a maester. Cotter Pyke and (according to Lady Dustin) half the lords in the Seven Kingdoms do so.I agree with Apple Martini: It's either Ramsay or Mance. Precisely WHY... I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scipio Africanus Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 Whoever wrote the note has to:1. Know about Ramsay and "Arya's" wedding.2. Know about Theon being Reek.3. Know that Mance Rayder wasn't the one who was executed.4. Know about Val, Selyse, Shireen and the baby.5. Know about Stannis's "magic" sword.It's either Ramsay using info from Mance, or Mance himself. Just about everyone else is missing critical information, especially on points 2 and 3.Or Mance could've somehow informed his new master Red Mel somehow, though it seems quite unlikely.Either we'll see in TWOW that either Stan faked his own death which led Ramsay to write a victory note for some reason (out of desperation or no) or it's one big conspiracy between Mance and Red Mel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPaulGualtieri Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 What's the timeframe between Melisandre trying to talk Jon out of going to Hardhome and Clydus (sp?) bringing him the Pink Letter? I wouldn't put it past Melisandre (with her warped thought process) to contrive the letter as a way to get the Black Brothers against Jon, so they would kill him and he could be reborn amidst salt and smoke. I definitely could see Mel fabricating the Pink Letter. In fact, I'm not really sure who else it could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runaway Penguin Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 Ramsay after being beaten and found Winterfell gates shut (by Roose or by Northmen inside): Gambit to draw Watch or Wildlings or both down from the Wall, to sow discord among his enemies (inc. Umbers).Mance: We don't know his game. He may have an idea of Stark in Winterfell importance and he tries to goad Jon into going there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanml82 Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 Mel doesn't know what Reek means. At least, that's what we know. She did say 'you know nothing Jon Snow' once - but that might have been an educated guess and not magic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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