total1402 Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 It was really odd that we get emphasized in AFFC that Brienne is very vulnerable on her own and only wins against those four thick slack-jawed bandits because of luck. Whilst Asha, before she is captured, is just hacking down Mormont bannermen left and right. Only weight of numbers brings her down.Now...Brienne is like a 6ft 7 amazon tank in plate armor who came close to matching the Kingslayer and Asha is a lean willowy woman in chainmail. But Brienne really struggles with 4 bandits who actually sound like they have problems? And with Asha they were coming at her more than one at a time which we are told is the only reason she survived. Yes, they don't seem to have been wearing armor but TBH (memory is a touch hazey) I don't think the bandits armor was really a factor. They tended to block the blows and swords tended to end up cutting flesh anyway. But with Asha she was cleaving through them. It just seemed very strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Greg of House House Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Asha is sexy and distracts her enemies. Or maybe they were actualling trying to capture, not kill her. btw... Brienne doesn't even come close to matching a regular Jaime. He was in terrible shape and handcuffed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
total1402 Posted May 25, 2013 Author Share Posted May 25, 2013 Asha is sexy and distracts her enemies. Or maybe they were actualling trying to capture, not kill her.btw... Brienne doesn't even come close to matching a regular Jaime. He was in terrible shape and handcuffed...Hes still the Kingslayer. Hence the "come close". Plus, he had been free for some time when they were on the run. So he had had tie to loosen up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coil Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Brienne has never killed anyone before that moment, iirc.Asha is a seasoned reaver, and most likely she is fighting against opponents who are too young or old, since the warriors went south with Robb.However Brienne is quite strong, dealing with four opponents in a single fight is pretty much amazing.Asha was in a battle, it's different since not necessarly everyone is focusing solely on you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor227 Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Asha was fighting run of the mill hill-tribesmen with lousy armor and weapons. Brienne was fighting hardened killers. Asha was also fighting in the middle of a battle alongside hardened killers of her own. Brienne was fighting alone, with every bit of her opponents' attentions focused on her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Asha was fighting run of the mill hill-tribesmen with lousy armor and weapons. Brienne was fighting hardened killers. Asha was also fighting in the middle of a battle alongside hardened killers of her own. Brienne was fighting alone, with every bit of her opponents' attentions focused on her.This.Plus Asha is more experienced in real fighting and killing people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mountain That Flies Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 I must have missed where any of the bandits Brienne killed gave her an actual fight. She walks through Shagwell's group (Podrick helps, but she was doing fine without him), and the only people we've actually seen her struggle against were two-handed Jaime and Rorge. Rorge is probably a bit like Ramsay, wild with his swordplay but dangerous nonetheless, and so had to be dealt with carefully. Brienne seems to outsmart him pretty effectively, though she had a far superior weapon helping her.Asha, meanwhile, we've only seen fight while making a spectacle of it (in front of Theon) and then while she was fleeing from Deepwood Motte. She was encountering Stannis' men (the Mormonts only came over after this battle) one at a time, in the dark, and while a pursuit was going, and so had a massive tactical advantage. She got is some good kills, but was taken down in pretty short order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
total1402 Posted May 25, 2013 Author Share Posted May 25, 2013 Brienne has never killed anyone before that moment, iirc.Asha is a seasoned reaver, and most likely she is fighting against opponents who are too young or old, since the warriors went south with Robb.However Brienne is quite strong, dealing with four opponents in a single fight is pretty much amazing.Asha was in a battle, it's different since not necessarly everyone is focusing solely on you.Sorry, what wars was Asha in before this? I am pretty sure Robert crushed the Ironborn with his hammer to stop the Ironborn and their old way. Balon hoped to restore the old ways of unrestricted reaving. Since Asha was a little girl, by definition, she can't have possibly reaved or had any experience either. Also, this is not Lord of the Rings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djinn Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Bloody mummers are experienced killers, mountain clannsmen not so much. Besides, Quarl and Black Lorren are among the best ironborn fighter presentely, so they would draw a lot of attention in that battle. Brienne was alone and she's big, so no one is going ignore her.Asha reaved on the Stepstones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FattyPeon Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Thread title is kinda a silly question, the answer is that they had different opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daario's man Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 The Ironborn couldn't reave anywhere in the Seven Kingdoms since Aegon I, but that didn't stop them raiding elsewhere. Asha was an experienced warrior, whereas for all her strength and skill Brienne is not.Although Brienne does exceptionally well considering her lack of experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techelles Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Indeed. Why on earth would people and situations ever be different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Flowers Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 If memory serves (I don't have that book to hand at the moment), The only one of Asha's opponents who has armor, (described as rusty ring mail, again, if memory serves) is Morgan LIddle and he defeats her. I don't recall Brienne being in danger of losing until she is dived upon by Biter, and with his size, he could have held down almost anyone short of Gregor Clegane. Also, I'm quite confident that everyone who Brienne fights is armed and armored properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRaggedWildling Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Asha has almost certainly fought and killed men before, while the bandits Brienne fought in the ruined castle were her first kills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewingedwolf Posted May 25, 2013 Share Posted May 25, 2013 Brienne was described by GRRM as "Sansa with a sword" she is big, strong and imposing but also very insecure and unaccustomed to combat. Asha, on the other hand has spent her life with the Ironborn and probably did a fair amount of reaving and pillaging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggs Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 I don't know what the fuck grrm was smoking when he wrote ashas fight scene. It was pretty ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alistair's Pantaloons Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Asha sucks. Brienne would waste her with ease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artos Stark Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Asha was fighting run of the mill hill-tribesmen with lousy armor and weapons. Brienne was fighting hardened killers. Asha was also fighting in the middle of a battle alongside hardened killers of her own. Brienne was fighting alone, with every bit of her opponents' attentions focused on her. Didn't Asha defeat one of the champions from the mountain clans? That is hardly a run of the mill hill-tribesman, also these were war hardened veterans in armor. Brienne was fighting nothing more than armed thugs, far less impressive. Also Asha was far more outnumbered than Brienne, there were many more than four men trying to kill her at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOM Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Asha was fighting run of the mill hill-tribesmen with lousy armor and weapons. Brienne was fighting hardened killers. Asha was also fighting in the middle of a battle alongside hardened killers of her own. Brienne was fighting alone, with every bit of her opponents' attentions focused on her.Seconded, or thirded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sansa_Stark Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 because asha is the best brienne is awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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