Textual evidence of Aegon being fake

[Irelands Gemstone]

Just looking for any quotes which could support the view that Aegon is fake. In my memory I can recall only one.

"His silvery hair was blowing in the wind, and his eyes were a deep purple, darker than this boy's"

Why would Jon Connington, a man who knew Rhaeger and, if he knew Aegon was real say, "This boy's" rather than "his sons" or "the sons" - as well as the obvious difference in racial traits.

Any quotes are welcome, even those that support the opposite view.

[Mladen]

Because Connington wasn`t with the boy until he was 5.

And, now, with promise no one will make death threats to me like the last time this was debated, here it goes:

1. Illyrio`s words `black or red, a dragon is a dragon`

2. Golden Company never broke the deal, and their first contract was to win Throne for Blackfyre

3. Dany`s vision in HotU, Quiathe`s warning and Moqorro`s vision all talking about `mummer`s dragon`

4. Illyrio`s behavior towards the boy which is much warmer than towards Dany and Viserys

Those are the evidence I can think of right now, from top of my head. If I remember something else, I`ll let you know.

Also, there is Ragnorak`s thread about Aegon, Varys and Serra with all data you need.

[Ser Uncle P]

Maqorro sees "dragons true and false" in his flames.

The fact that traditional Blackfyre henchmen Golden Company are his backups.

The Cheesemonger says "Black or red a dragons still a dragon"

the washed up dragon sign from Brienne's POV.

[Ser Uncle P]

also the fact that Elia fought to save the baby from Clegane. wouldn't make sense if it was pisswater baby.

[King of Winters]

Because Connington wasn`t with the boy until he was 5.

And, now, with promise no one will make death threats to me like the last time this was debated, here it goes:

1. Illyrio`s words `black or red, a dragon is a dragon`

2. Golden Company never broke the deal, and their first contract was to win Throne for Blackfyre

3. Dany`s vision in HotU, Quiathe`s warning and Moqorro`s vision all talking about `mummer`s dragon`

4. Illyrio`s behavior towards the boy which is much warmer than towards Dany and Viserys

Those are the evidence I can think of right now, from top of my head. If I remember something else, I`ll let you know.

Also, there is Ragnorak`s thread about Aegon, Varys and Serra with all data you need.

This and the story of the black dragon sign that washed up on Queit Isle, all rusted red.

[Daenerith]

also the fact that Elia fought to save the baby from Clegane. wouldn't make sense if it was pisswater baby.

While I'm 80% convinced Aegon is fake (although I don't want him to be) I'd like to think that Elia (or indeed, anyone) would fight to stop any baby from being brutally killed if she had the power to do so.

[Morienthar]

Is there any indication as to Aegon isn't a "Dragon" at all?

[Corvo Attano]

The Golden Company was founded by Bittersteel, who was Daemon Blackfyre's strongest supporter, And their current commander is Harry Strickland and House Strickland were also strong Blackfyre supporters, so why would they be fighting for the Targaryens?

Along with buttloads of other evidence:

-Quaithe, Moqorro & The HoTU's warnings about false dragons

-"Black or red, A dragon is still a dragon"

- the description of Illyrio's second wife, Serra (who apparently had all the typical Targ/Blackfyre traits), which ties in to the emphasis that the Blackfyres are extinct in the male line, but with no mention of the female line

- The black dragon sign that washed up on the quite isle but had turned red (giving rise to the idea of a black dragon coming back disguised (as it were) as a red dragon)

- The fact that when Varys kills Kevan, he refers to "Aegon", but never specifically to "Aegon Targaryen"

[Pootie Tang]

"His silvery hair was blowing in the wind, and his eyes were a deep purple, darker than this boy's"

This is obviously indisputable text evidence of Jon Connington being a die hard fan of Hard Rock.

[King of Winters]

Is there any indication as to Aegon isn't a "Dragon" at all?

Well there is a theory that (F)Aegon is just a baby taken from a whore in Lys and he has Targ looks as they still have the Valyrian looks in Lys. But most people prefer the Blackfyre theory.

[TalalOfDorne]

While I'm 80% convinced Aegon is fake (although I don't want him to be) I'd like to think that Elia (or indeed, anyone) would fight to stop any baby from being brutally killed if she had the power to do so.

:agree: I find it difficult to believe she'd just had the baby over to Clegane.

[Frozentree]

1. Illyrio`s words `black or red, a dragon is a dragon`

+the others using this as a "proof"

You are ignoring the context in which he said it, being an explanation to why the GC is supporting a Targaryen. If Aegon is a Blackfyre, Illirio was simply lying and the words mean nothing

[Usrnmhsnomning]

If the Golden Company today are so opposed to helping Targaryens, why were they on their way quite willingly to marry Aegon to Dany and serve her as much as him? As far as the leadership knew, Young Griff is a true Targaryen due to marry another true Targaryen. How can you use anything regarding todays Company as proof Aegon is fake when by all means, even if he was fake, every member of the Company believe he is real and that they are fighting for the trueborn son of Rhaegar Targaryen?

[Mladen]

+the others using this as a "proof"

You are ignoring the context in which he said it, being an explanation to why the GC is supporting a Targaryen. If Aegon is a Blackfyre, Illirio was simply lying and the words mean nothing

I am not ignoring the context. Illyrio specifically said that, and he was convincing Tyrion that Aegon is a dragon, which means that GC remained loyal to the first contract.

[Mladen]

If the Golden Company today are so opposed to helping Targaryens, why were they on their way quite willingly to marry Aegon to Dany and serve her as much as him? As far as the leadership knew, Young Griff is a true Targaryen due to marry another true Targaryen. How can you use anything regarding todays Company as proof Aegon is fake when by all means, even if he was fake, every member of the Company believe he is real and that they are fighting for the trueborn son of Rhaegar Targaryen?

No matter whether they know it or not, they don`t brake their contracts. And that was said dozen of times in the books. Basically, it`s author`s hint to signalyze us that GC would never fight for Targaryen, and that boy isn`t him.

[Usrnmhsnomning]

I am not ignoring the context. Illyrio specifically said that, and he was convincing Tyrion that Aegon is a dragon, which means that GC remained loyal to the first contract.

The context is that Tyrion questions why the Gold Company IS breaking that first contract by supporting a Targaryen. Illyrio's reply about dragons being dragons is saying that the Gold Company has switched from trying to install specifically a Blackfyre, to trying to install any Targaryen. As in, the context is the complete opposite of how it has been used in this thread.

[King of Winters]

I am not ignoring the context. Illyrio specifically said that, and he was convincing Tyrion that Aegon is a dragon, which means that GC remained loyal to the first contract.

One thing I don't understand is people know that the Golden Company was made by Bittersteel, who was a Blackfyre supporter, so wouldn't some Lords find Aegon landing with them a bit suspicious?

[Usrnmhsnomning]

Basically, it`s author`s hint to signalyze us that GC would never fight for Targaryen, and that boy isn`t him.

But they ARE. Every member of the GC ARE fighting for a true Targaryen. Every member BELIEVES he is a real Targaryen. How is it that the GC would never fight for a Targaryen when they've done so for the last 15 years?

[BranBrokeLegs]

Well there is a theory that (F)Aegon is just a baby taken from a whore in Lys and he has Targ looks as they still have the Valyrian looks in Lys. But most people prefer the Blackfyre theory.

The Blackfyre theory does a lot better explaining Illyrio and Varys' motivations. Placing a whore baby on the throne of a country that Illyrio has no reason to care about makes no sense. Illyrio is already an immensely wealthy man, the financial gain he could make off enthroning and be rewarded by Aegon is minimal considering what he has and considering that Illyrio has no heirs. However, it does make sense in the context of a dying wish of a wife he loved that their son sit the IT.

Aegon is either Aegon Blackfyre or Aegon the son of Rhaegor. No other explanation makes any sense.

[danm_999]

But they ARE. Every member of the GC ARE fighting for a true Targaryen. Every member BELIEVES he is a real Targaryen. How is it that the GC would never fight for a Targaryen when they've done so for the last 15 years?

How has the Golden Company been fighting for the Targaryens for the last 15 years?