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How big is Westeros compared to the USA


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#1 hodoronthethrone

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 10:54 AM

Curious... do we have any idea of the size of Westeros? Can anyone give a comparison between Westeros and say, the East Coast of the USA? Is it like Dorne to the Wall is Florida to Maine? Or DC to Boston? or is it the size of Britain (since it looks so much like it)?

I'm kind of confused because for some characters, it seems like it takes forever for them to travel anywhere, while others (ahem Littlefinger) seem to have their own private jet. Of course, the books don't specifically tell us how much time elapses between each POV chapter, so maybe there is no way of knowing this, but was curious nonetheless.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 11:16 AM

Curious... do we have any idea of the size of Westeros? Can anyone give a comparison between Westeros and say, the East Coast of the USA? Is it like Dorne to the Wall is Florida to Maine? Or DC to Boston? or is it the size of Britain (since it looks so much like it)?

I'm kind of confused because for some characters, it seems like it takes forever for them to travel anywhere, while others (ahem Littlefinger) seem to have their own private jet. Of course, the books don't specifically tell us how much time elapses between each POV chapter, so maybe there is no way of knowing this, but was curious nonetheless.

I don't need a private jet, I just climb the ladder.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 01:20 PM

Word on the streets is that is about 3000 miles from Dorne to the Wall, this is about the distance between NYC and LA in the USA.

ETA: Much farther than FL to ME, more like FL to Newfoundland

Edited by thecryptile, 05 June 2013 - 03:45 AM.


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Posted 04 June 2013 - 03:51 PM

I think Westeros is approximately the length of South America (though this may have changed), way bigger than Britain.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 05:33 PM

This picture compares the size of Westeros with Europe, making equivalences with the climates of the regions.

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 11:42 PM

I believe GRRM said once that it's approximately the size of South America.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 01:49 AM

This picture compares the size of Westeros with Europe, making equivalences with the climates of the regions.


Thank you! Extremely helpful picture. Seems to fit perfectly.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 03:28 AM

Thank you! Extremely helpful picture. Seems to fit perfectly.


That's an old picture that's actually nonsense. The scale is incorrectly applied, making Westeros seem smaller than it actually is.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 02:46 PM

It's frequently said that the Wall is 100 leagues long, i.e. 300 miles. Apply that to any of the "official" maps. (The distances are absurdly long IMHO).

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 02:55 PM

It's frequently said that the Wall is 100 leagues long, i.e. 300 miles. Apply that to any of the "official" maps. (The distances are absurdly long IMHO).


What's absurd about them? Is Russia (much bigger than Westeros) absurdly big in your eyes? /tongue.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':P' />

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 04:11 PM

Westeros and TV-Essos compared to both USA and UK.

That's an old picture that's actually nonsense. The scale is incorrectly applied, making Westeros seem smaller than it actually is.


It's a bit off. If you put the Wall on the North Cape of Norway, the south coast of Dorne should be somewhere around Marrakesh in Morocco.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 08:08 AM

If the Wall is really 100 leagues long, that would make the known portion of Westeros (from the southernmost tip of Dorne to the Wall, since we don't know how big the Land of Always Winter is) about 1084 leagues* long (6022 km, 3742 miles).

That's roughly the same distance as from the tip of South America to the Equator Line, from Miami to Alaska, from Portugal to Afghanistan, or from the easternmost tip of Europe to the Pacific Ocean. It's one massive continent, though if Elio and Linda's demographic estimates are correct, it's also quite populated.


* based on the book maps, the Lands of Ice and Fire maps give a slightly smaller figure.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 08:39 PM

If the Wall is really 100 leagues long, that would make the known portion of Westeros (from the southernmost tip of Dorne to the Wall, since we don't know how big the Land of Always Winter is) about 1084 leagues* long (6022 km, 3742 miles).

That's roughly the same distance as from the tip of South America to the Equator Line, from Miami to Alaska, from Portugal to Afghanistan, or from the easternmost tip of Europe to the Pacific Ocean. It's one massive continent, though if Elio and Linda's demographic estimates are correct, it's also quite populated.


* based on the book maps, the Lands of Ice and Fire maps give a slightly smaller figure.

Disregarding it being pre-urbanization, how is it that KL has 500k populace if these numbers are correct? The seven kingdoms are absolutely massive, and from what it appears indeed pretty densely populated.

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 02:09 AM

Disregarding it being pre-urbanization, how is it that KL has 500k populace if these numbers are correct? The seven kingdoms are absolutely massive, and from what it appears indeed pretty densely populated.


No, the implication of this is that Westeros is actually pretty thinly populated by medieval terms. If the entire Westeros had medieval England's average population density, for example, it would have a population of around 120 million people. Instead, the most reasonable estimates based on the books give us a figure of around 40 million only.

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 06:59 AM

No, the implication of this is that Westeros is actually pretty thinly populated by medieval terms. If the entire Westeros had medieval England's average population density, for example, it would have a population of around 120 million people. Instead, the most reasonable estimates based on the books give us a figure of around 40 million only.


Not that thinly populated. If Ran was right about the north having the same population density as medieval Scandinavia (I think he said something like that on youtube) that would put the north on between 1 and 2 people per square kilometre, leaving plenty for the southern 2 thirds.

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 07:08 AM

Not that thinly populated. If Ran was right about the north having the same population density as medieval Scandinavia (I think he said something like that on youtube) that would put the north on between 1 and 2 people per square kilometre, leaving plenty for the southern 2 thirds.


Let's not get into that debate here. Suffice it to say that the Scandinavia comparison is way off, based on many text based references.

Edited by Free Northman, 07 June 2013 - 07:09 AM.


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Posted 07 June 2013 - 11:05 AM

Let's not get into that debate here. Suffice it to say that the Scandinavia comparison is way off, based on many text based references.


Fair enough. Could you point me to some thread about this? Not trying to start a debate, just curious.

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 06:07 PM

Westeros is pretty big length-wise, bigger than Europe, but is much smaller in terms of area, having about 2.3 million miles². That makes for a population density of 19.5 inhabitants/mile², going with Elio's estimate of 45 million people. That's not a whole lot less than middle-age Europe (which, according to wikipedia had a peak population of about 100 million before the black plague, marking it at 25.4 inhabitants/mile²), and more than even some current-day countries like Libya or Australia. Not bad for a continent plagued by all-out conflicts.

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Posted 08 June 2013 - 05:38 PM

Westeros is roughly the size of the island of England.

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Posted 08 June 2013 - 05:52 PM

Westeros is roughly the size of the island of England.


No.

Edit: wait, that was sarcasm, right?

Edited by Mine Is Not The Fury, 08 June 2013 - 05:52 PM.