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Would Rhaegar have been a better father to Jon than Ned?


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#1 ~DarkHorse~

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 06:05 PM

If we switch the roles and Jon is the odd one out in the Targaryen family rather than the Stark family.

I know this is really hard to answer because we don't know allot about Rhaegar...
However, perhaps he would have shown Jon more affection or maybe he would have pressurised him with prophecy crap?

Also, do you think Elia would have been like Catelyn when it came to Jon? If Lyanna had died but Rhaegar, Elia and his children lived would he have brought Jon up with his family?

What are your opinions?

#2 OberynBlackfyre

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 06:08 PM

I love Rhaegar (he is actually my fav character), but I'd have to say no.

Rhaegar seemed wise and caring, but Ned was really the one who GAVE to his children in the sense of wisdom, honor, etc.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 06:09 PM

He would've grown up to be another Targeryan. Altho he would be great as he is.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 06:12 PM

You know, as much as i love me some Rhae-man, i dont think he'd have been as good a father to Jon as Ned was. Ned instilled some very important morals for Jon. Honor being paramount. Also "doing whats right." Thats not to say that Rhaegar would have ignored Jon, he probably would have been decent, if not a bit distant. If Rhaegar had raised Jon, i could see Jon being more studious in pursuits of more intellectual matters. But think about it. Jon was already a bit spoiled from living as a Stark bastard. Could you imagine if he had been raised at court? Holy crap. I like Ned!Jon better methinks.

As for Elia, her marriage to Rhaegar was hardly a love match. Part of why Cat felt so burned by Ned was because they came to love each other. I dont know if she would have been a total Ice Queen to Jon, but im sure she would have had some reservations. Especially given that she was always in poor health. Would Jon have been close with Aegon and Rhaenys? Maybe. Aegon could look at Jon as a big brother, and maybe Rhaenys would have been a little like Arya. /shrug

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 06:12 PM

Nope. The Targs suck at parenting.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 06:13 PM

I assume Elia would've been alright with it. The Dornish are a bit more understanding with things. Ellaria Sand comes to mind as an example. But its tough to say.

Rhaegar I don't think would've been as dutiful as a father as Ned was. This situation involves a lot of speculation as to what happened with RR, but lets just say the Targs won. Rhaegar wouldn't have been quite a season warrior as Ned was by the time of aGoT. Ned had two wars he was involved with. Rhaegar had like one battle in the timeline.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 06:14 PM

He would probably force him into some mad prophesy shit.

Edited by C0bR, 19 June 2013 - 06:15 PM.


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 06:17 PM

You know, as much as i love me some Rhae-man, i dont think he'd have been as good a father to Jon as Ned was. Ned instilled some very important morals for Jon. Honor being paramount. Also "doing whats right." Thats not to say that Rhaegar would have ignored Jon, he probably would have been decent, if not a bit distant. If Rhaegar had raised Jon, i could see Jon being more studious in pursuits of more intellectual matters. But think about it. Jon was already a bit spoiled from living as a Stark bastard. Could you imagine if he had been raised at court? Holy crap. I like Ned!Jon better methinks.

As for Elia, her marriage to Rhaegar was hardly a love match. Part of why Cat felt so burned by Ned was because they came to love each other. I dont know if she would have been a total Ice Queen to Jon, but im sure she would have had some reservations. Especially given that she was always in poor health. Would Jon have been close with Aegon and Rhaenys? Maybe. Aegon could look at Jon as a big brother, and maybe Rhaenys would have been a little like Arya. /shrug


Jon is younger than Aegon and Rhaenys.

Edited by King Aenys Targaryen, 19 June 2013 - 06:17 PM.


#9 Jasta11

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 06:18 PM

The guy who ran away with a Lord Paramount's daughter, thereby putting his entire family potentially in danger and allowing war to engulf the Realm while he was having fun at the Tower of Joy?

Somehow, I don't see him being a good, responsible father.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 06:24 PM

Had Rhaegar raised Jon he would've probably have grown up to be the frontman for Simple Plan and somehow have written an even more emo version of Untitled.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 06:25 PM

The guy who ran away with a Lord Paramount's daughter, thereby putting his entire family potentially in danger and allowing war to engulf the Realm while he was having fun at the Tower of Joy?

Somehow, I don't see him being a good, responsible father.


Exactly so. I think Ned had more parenting skills in his big toe than Rhaegar had in his whole body.

Edited by Lady of Long Lake, 19 June 2013 - 06:26 PM.


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 06:27 PM

Probably would of treated them the same as he did his other kids. Abandon them with some mad man and expect Others to take care of them for him. Then maybe Knight a sociopath who eventually kills his children.

But boy I love me some Rhaegar all the great things he did, what a guy. Did you know he could play the Harp and read. Wow, that Rhaegar, what a guy. I am gonna speculate on how great he was. He had silver hair and cured cancer, and he won a million tourneys and healed people just by touching them and he never ever ever ever did anything wrong because I know his character so well. Just look at all his POV's.

Oh wait this thread is serious? Really?

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 06:29 PM

Jon is younger than Aegon and Rhaenys.

Rhaenys is older yes, but that doesnt mean they couldnt be close. Aegon and Jon are very close in age. They could be like Robb and Jon. But seeing how Jon would be the spare, he would be able to get away with a lot more junk than Aegon would. Flying below the radar. I could see Aegon looking up to Jon because of having more wiggle room.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 06:42 PM

Big rhaegar fan, but i doubt it especially since he would have alot to do. Still he would have been a good dad, elia don't think she is as petty as cat or as in love as she was with ned so i think she would like jon especially if his mother died.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 07:01 PM

Ned was dour but not melancholy like Rhaegar was. I suspect Rhaegar would have his head in the clouds too much to actually impact Jon's life much. He would've been raised by a castellan or something.

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 08:00 AM

No thousands times no.

First he would be like Randyl because he wasn't a girl and second we saw what a great father he was for the rest of his children.

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 08:05 AM

I doubt Rhaegar would be anywhere near as good a father as Ned. He's melancholy and distant, I doubt he'd do much when it came to raising Jon. If anything, he'd focus his energy on Aegon. Elia however, I think would be kinder to Jon than Catelyn was, given the Dornish attitude to affairs.

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 08:12 AM

Jon as the son he had with the love of his life would have shown to be his favourite more so because she died birthing him and Elia would have know Rhaegar would legitimise Jon when he was king maybe even name him heir which is all of cats fears but Rhaegar actually has the power to do that.

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 08:30 AM

We have absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Rhaegar was a good father. He however ran off with Lyanna either chasing a prophecy or some tail. So, as long as Lyanna is still hot or Rhaegar finds a different wench who will fulfill the prophecy, Rhaegar will drop Jon just like he dropped Aegon and Rhaenys.

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 08:31 AM

No thousands times no.

First he would be like Randyl because he wasn't a girl and second we saw what a great father he was for the rest of his children.

Randyl Tarly, really? That's quite a stretch. But no, its hard to beat the Ned as fathers go,