Posted 10 July 2013 - 06:32 AM
Do you guys want any prophecies to come true? I for one hope none of them come true but each character creates his own legacy rather than Dany becoming "Aegon the Conqueror with tits" I want her to have her own name and legacy, be it as a failure or a hero, same with the Azor Ahai Reborn and the Prince who was promised. I actually hope that Rhaegar was the Prince who was promised and everyone unites to fight and defeat the Others creating a new legacy.
What do you think?
Posted 10 July 2013 - 06:40 AM
I like the prophecies as riddles we can puzzle about while we wait for the next book. As such, I hope they come true, or else all my puzzling will be in vain! /dunce.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':dunce:' />
But you're right of course, I wouldn't want the characters' development to be totally bound by prophecies either. This is why I think it's very good that e.g. the Rhaego prophecy (he'll be such a great khal, and the stallion who fucks the world over etc) was subverted, showing that a prophecy is no guarantee for greatness, but that greatness has to be earned by the characters themselves.
So what I wish for is a balance: The main prophecies should come true, but in their own way and the characters should not just have the legacy of their forbears fall in their laps, but struggle and create their own legacy. And I believe they will. /smug.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smug:' />
Edited by The Dornishman's Wife, 10 July 2013 - 06:42 AM.
Posted 10 July 2013 - 06:51 AM
Posted 10 July 2013 - 07:02 AM
as for prophecies i tend to agree with you to a certain extent
here's a little wisdom about them from George
“That is the nature of prophecy... Prophecy will bite your prick off every time.”
now see we all like to think the we control our own destiny and that we hold the keys and choose the path but how true is this really ?
characters make decisions that take them from one place to another (and these decisions are made upon previous knowledge which usually includes the prophecy) so basically they're fulfilling the prophecy with their own hands
these prophecies could be linked to the past in a recurring cycle
or they could be the webbing of madness and delusion
Edited by mighty potato, 10 July 2013 - 07:02 AM.
Posted 10 July 2013 - 07:03 AM
While discussing prophecies, I'm reminded of Marwyn's and Gorghan's thoughts about it:
a prophecy is like a treacherous woman. She takes your member in her mouth, and you moan with the pleasure of it and think, how sweet, how fine, how good this is ... and then her teeth snap shut and your moans turn to screams. That is the nature of prophecy. Prophecy will bite your prick off every time
I'd like prophecies in ASOIAF to follow that pattern: they should rarely be literal truth - but almost always have some sort of twist to them. Maybe be prophecy means something completely different than you think it means, maybe it's a self-fulfilling prophecy (valonqar prophecy may come to this), maybe prophecy is defied by some character's actions (or lack thereof) - like Mirri prevented Stallion Who Mounts The World from living, maybe the prophecy is false....
Thankfully, Martinworld does not run on You Can't Fight Fate trope, but creates setting where each character follows his own logic and shapes his own fate - which makes for much more interesting story. Books where prophecies are always truth and followed to a tie tend be less suspenseful and boring-ish.
Posted 10 July 2013 - 07:21 AM
Edited by The Duke, 10 July 2013 - 07:22 AM.
Posted 10 July 2013 - 07:23 AM
Edited by Mladen, 10 July 2013 - 07:23 AM.
Posted 10 July 2013 - 07:51 AM
Posted 10 July 2013 - 07:56 AM
Edited by Vuron, 10 July 2013 - 07:56 AM.
Posted 10 July 2013 - 08:16 AM
Posted 11 July 2013 - 12:14 AM
Dany is haunted by the prophesy of 3 betrayals & Quaithes warning to trust none of the people she is prophesized to meet. Practically every Dany chapter in Dance follows the downward spiral of her mounting paranoia. A bit reminiscent of her own father Mad Aerys' descent into paranoid psychosis /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />
Cersei similarly is driven to extremes in what she believes is an out-gaming of Maggy the frogs prophecy
But I believe that in doing what they are doing by reacting so fundamentally to these prophecies and trying to subvert them, they are only making their fulfillment that much more inevitable.
By the end of Dance, Dany has managed to be so mistrustful and imprudent in judging people that she is reduced to someone who people are very likely to betray. In ACoK and aSoS she was so triumphant and approachable and winsome to those nearest to her. But the end of Dance, her enemy count is out of control. She's lucky if she is only betrayed thrice.
Ditto Cersei, all her thoughts of out-gamification have only resulted in her downfall, and in more people who resent her and threaten the lives of her two remaining children. As for the Valonqar She's already set up the sibling rivalry to end all sibling rivalries with Tyrion, but by the end of Feast & Dance, seems to have alienated Jaime fairly we
Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.