MidnightAurora Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Like Hodor, Patchface does not say much except what some might call babbling, but I was thinking his sayings might have more meaning. Pick a quote and analyze is meaning. Will he serve as a more important person later? Princess Shireen survived a fatal illness was she visited by the three eye crow as well? it seems like a lot who survived a fatal injury/illness was visited by the crow or is it just certain people? If so why not visit Shireen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gramsci Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Like Hodor, Patchface does not say much except what some might call babbling, but I was thinking his sayings might have more meaning. Pick a quote and analyze is meaning. Will he serve as a more important person later? Princess Shireen survived a fatal illness was she visited by the three eye crow as well? it seems like a lot who survived a fatal injury/illness was visited by the crow or is it just certain people? If so why not visit Shireen?Short answer to that: Yes. As with any story/song GRR Martin introduces in this series, Patchface's jingles definitely have meaning. Scary people are afraid of Patchface, and that speaks volumes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBrother55 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 SCARY CLOWN!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentwanderer Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Like Hodor, Patchface does not say much except what some might call babbling, but I was thinking his sayings might have more meaning. Pick a quote and analyze is meaning. Will he serve as a more important person later? I'll go with the wildlings on this, the condition Shireen survives from makes her half- dead and I have serious doubts about Patchface myself.Whatever their connection may be, its got to play a part later on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidnightAurora Posted July 12, 2013 Author Share Posted July 12, 2013 Short answer to that: Yes. As with any story/song GRR Martin introduces in this series, Patchface's jingles definitely have meaning. Scary people are afraid of Patchface, and that speaks volumes.good to know. cryptic answer and yet very knowledgeable. I am thinking Mel and others might be afraid of his statements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidnightAurora Posted July 12, 2013 Author Share Posted July 12, 2013 I'll go with the wildlings on this, the condition Shireen survives from makes her half- dead and I have serious doubts about Patchface myself.Whatever their connection may be, its got to play a part later on.Thanks. I just thought of a theory she may be a useful tool for the Others or Mel since as you stated the condition she survived left her half dead. The Others can control the dead. Patchface it is about the story of his survival and how he was on the ship that sunk the Baretheon Brothers' parents and he was the only survivor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otho Bracken Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 "The shadows come to stay." I'm thinking that can't be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentwanderer Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 "The shadows come to stay." I'm thinking that can't be good.Exactly!I just don't think Patchface "survived" per se, his tatooes make it hard to tell but he may as well be like Pate, Catelyn or Coldhands.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidnightAurora Posted July 13, 2013 Author Share Posted July 13, 2013 I was also thinking about Wights and their blue eyes and black hands and wondering why that is. So far all the wights that have been mentioned have had those qualities no matter what form of death. I am thinking maybe if one is half dead or dead and then reanimated if the Others could still control them.I am also wondering if the others need blood. The White Walkers attacked in groups and while the wildlings do have fire it seems like the White Walkers attack the NW more and I am beginning to be curious about that as well. About the blood, I am asking because Craster gives his "sons" to the cold one and I am wondering if it is to protect him and if the cold one needs blood.GRRM likes a lot of parallels because now I am thinking that the Cold one is the one Mel worships..Patchface only says his sayings in front of certain people and seems to say it before an important event is to happen to that character. (ex: patchface rambling to Seaworth before he is arrested. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Demon Monkey Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 Pretty sure his sayings are indeed some sort of foreshadowing otherwise we won't get so many of them in the book.I'm also pretty sure he is not an important character as he is not in the TV show. (He might be introduced later but seems like it should have been done if he was to be in.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentwanderer Posted July 25, 2013 Share Posted July 25, 2013 That doesn't really mean anything as his role could be taken by Shireen or another character.Much like Gendry took the role of another bastard Robert had in the books (or Mathos the role of 4 of Davos's children). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batbob45 Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Patchface treats more like a person than Renly ever did. unlike Renly, Patches did not mock her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Fire and Blood Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 "The shadow has come to dance my lord...the shadow has come to stay my lord.." Wasn't he warning about Melisandre? Didn't she did give birth to a shadow creature that killed Renly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PG-13 Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 I was thinking this had something to do with the ironmen's ritual of drowning people and then giving them CPR in a massively ****ed up baptism.He drowned and came back to life, like all those people. You could also compare him to Balon's brother. I forget his name.Also Fool's blood, king's blood, blood on the maiden's thigh, but chains for the guests and chains for the bridegroom, aye aye aye. *cough* Red Wedding?Fool- JinglebellKing- RobbRoslin was a maiden at her weddingEdmure and the survivors were taken captive in the aftermath of the wedding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTwipz Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 I disagree with the fact that Patchface is "babbling". When he speaks, he's singing, but for me, every word has his meaning you know. About what he lived and saw. I don't know if I'm alone with this feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pengwin7 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I'm a NOOB and about halfway through CoK... so I'm joining in this thread even though it is old. I love the Patchface bits... I read them over 2, 3, 4 times each.For me, it seems like GRRM really wanted to play into the dreams/prophecies in CoK. This was the start for me of really, really, really enjoying this story - because he gives us enough information to piece together theories... try to "solve" it. (for those that like that). For all we know, GRRM may have re-written him into the first chapter to enhance the story.The first chapter in GoT is about the White Walkers. I believe the "shadows come to dance" and "shadows come to stay" fortells of the White Walkers.Shadows = a being, that is not realDance = kill/fightStay = well... stick around... for a while at least! Patchface is also interesting in that his youth, IIRC, describes him as being clever with astonishing wit.Two other key characters described to be clever/intelligent in their youth: Rhaegar & Tyrion.Not that I believe these characters are ALL related in anyway (well, theory for another thread perhaps), but I do believe that anybody that GRRM references as smart, sharp, intelligent, or clever should be given significant weight.After all, GRRM's most incredible personal trait is probably his intelligence. I dig Patchface.I don't think he is a key character in the grand plan of the story, but I do believe that anything he says has significant meaning as a prophecy or telling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabagon Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 I only have the second book, but it already shows Patchface as the foreshadower of things. I do suspect he may be a prophet of some sort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batbob45 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 He might be a key to defeat Mel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cassidyaj Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Does any one else wonder if it's all an act for Patchface and that he knows and hears more than they ever think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cutetrixie Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 Does any one else wonder if it's all an act for Patchface and that he knows and hears more than they ever think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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