Rod123 Posted August 19, 2013 Author Share Posted August 19, 2013 Daenerys in Slavers' Bay is to show is that the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.Which is the reason why some people judge Dany too harshly, as if she doesnt lives up to the moral standard or a perfect protagonist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser_Patreck Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Which is the reason why some people judge Dany too harshly, as if she doesnt lives up to the moral standard or a perfect protagonist.No, people judge her (I don't know about too harshly) because she doesn't live up to her own ideals and standards. At least as I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeirwoodTreeHugger Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Slavery is considered wrong by many other characters besides Dany. The Braavosi are virulently against it. It's outlawed in Westeros. How does being opposed to slavery make Dany more modern than other characters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser_Patreck Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Slavery is considered wrong by many other characters besides Dany. The Braavosi are virulently against it. It's outlawed in Westeros. How does being opposed to slavery make Dany more modern than other characters?Because those didn't try to change the world at gundragonpoint, I'd wager. But you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Beyond the Wall Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I will agree with the above posts regarding the lack of Dany in your OP. It seems like you were about to talk about her blunders but got sidetracked. although I have no love for Tywin, I agree that like all, he isn't evil, or bad, but rather complex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod123 Posted August 19, 2013 Author Share Posted August 19, 2013 No, people judge her (I don't know about too harshly) because she doesn't live up to her own ideals and standards. At least as I see it.Unrealistic ideals and standards for a character like that.I mean she is a girl that grew with a megalomaniac abusive brother and she grew tougher by being the bride of what basically was a mongol khan, and when he dies she suddenly adquires modern western values? values that nobody teached her BTW. And yet the very same values crash with the Targaryen looking to get her throne back persona.She is a horrible character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod123 Posted August 19, 2013 Author Share Posted August 19, 2013 Slavery is considered wrong by many other characters besides Dany. The Braavosi are virulently against it. It's outlawed in Westeros. How does being opposed to slavery make Dany more modern than other characters?She is not only opposed to slavery but to social castes and mistreating the bottom rung of society.You dont see Barristan or Jorah caring one **** about the slaves or about leaving people to die outside the walls in a siege. They hate slavery nominally, but in practice as Tyrion point out, like of a serf in Westeros isnt much different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crow Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Dany's arc in ADWD was written so that we could see the true AA, the Protector of the Realm, and Tamer of the Dragon Queen, Daario Naharis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhymes with Weak Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Dany's arc in ADWD was written so that we could see the true AA, the Protector of the Realm, and Tamer of the Dragon Queen, Daario Naharis.I'd be fine with it if that were a plot point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod123 Posted August 19, 2013 Author Share Posted August 19, 2013 Dany's arc in ADWD was written so that we could see the true AA, the Protector of the Realm, and Tamer of the Dragon Queen, Daario Naharis.A good person without the guts to do what she needed to do to achieve her goals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yolkboy Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Unrealistic ideals and standards for a character like that.I mean she is a girl that grew with a megalomaniac abusive brother and she grew tougher by being the bride of what basically was a mongol khan, and when he dies she suddenly adquires modern western values? values that nobody teached her BTW. And yet the very same values crash with the Targaryen looking to get her throne back persona.She is a horrible character.Ordering the torture of those two innocent daughters, without bothering to even check if they were children or not, was pretty horrible.Oh, I forgot, nobody taught her it's wrong to torture children. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejhawman Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I thought the whole Slaver's Bay quagmire was to reveal some of Dany's faults so she becomes a more realistic character. It worked.This.A bunch of reasons, really. Give her time to grow as a leader, her dragons to grow enough to bear a rider's weight, and to make Dany more realistic and sympathetic. Works for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod123 Posted August 19, 2013 Author Share Posted August 19, 2013 Ordering the torture of those two innocent daughters, without bothering to even check if they were children or not, was pretty horrible.Oh, I forgot, nobody taught her it's wrong to torture children. :rolleyes:She didnt came up with the idea and she gave a green go after saying no 1000 times to all other "valid for the time" ways to fight at the killers and she does so in a fit of anger only.And she also denies the killing of hostages too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser_Patreck Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 This.A bunch of reasons, really. Give her time to grow as a leader, her dragons to grow enough to bear a rider's weight, and to make Dany more realistic and sympathetic. Works for me.More realistic, perhaps.More sympathetic... Ehhh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser_Patreck Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 She didnt came up with the idea and she gave a green go after saying no 1000 times to all other "valid for the time" ways to fight at the killers and she does so in a fit of anger only.Yeah, I'm sure that's great consolation for tortured people everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yolkboy Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 She didnt came up with the idea and she gave a green go after saying no 1000 times to all other "valid for the time" ways to fight at the killers and she does so in a fit of anger only.Oh that's perfectly OK then.And I thought giving the order to torture two innocent females who might well be children (if she bothered to check) was inherently horrible.Yeah, being in a fit of anger is perfectly reasonable grounds for diminished responsibility in this instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod123 Posted August 19, 2013 Author Share Posted August 19, 2013 Yeah, I'm sure that's great consolation for tortured people everywhere.No, but it enforces my point that Daenerys moral code is a mockery of Mary Sues everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florina Laufeyson Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Dany was never a Mary Sue. No one in this series is a Mary Sue. The next time i see Mary Sue flung around at a character in this series, im going to pull a Sansa and rip off the heads of the dolls of small children.Wont someone please think of the dolls! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dornishman's Wife Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 No, but it enforces my point that Daenerys moral code is a mockery of Mary Sues everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod123 Posted August 19, 2013 Author Share Posted August 19, 2013 Oh that's perfectly OK then.And I thought giving the order to torture two innocent females who might well be children (if she bothered to check) was inherently horrible.Yeah, being in a fit of anger is perfectly reasonable grounds for diminished responsibility in this instance. Again, context.Collective punishment existed in the USA (one of the most liberal nations of the time) up until the XIX century, up to the XX century in other western nations like Germany and Britain.Yet a character who lives in what is basically the medieval or classical era and had an extremely screwed upbringing should know better and should act in according to turn of the XX century western values. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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