Arch-MaesterPhilip Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 She could just as easily burn Jon at that rate he has the blood of the Targaryens and the Starks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeirwoodTreeHugger Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Melisandre is a foreigner pushing a foreign religion. She relies on having high positioned allies in Westeros. Even if she wanted to burn Stannis, it would burn bridges with Jon and possibly Selyse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Beyond the Wall Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Since we're playing "Crackpot Theory" today...Mel has asserted countless times through the series that "There is power in a King's blood," and that this power was required to "wake the stone dragon(s)." But her attempts to use that king's blood power always fall through. (Edric Storm smuggled out by Davos, she burns Rattleshirt instead of Mance, Jon switches the babies and sends Aemon away) So what are the odds she finally realizes that Stannis is not AAR, and remembers that he has "King's blood" as well?But Stannis doesn't have a single drop of kings blood, well at least you count his cousin Aerys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch-MaesterPhilip Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 But Stannis doesn't have a single drop of kings blood, well at least you count his cousin Aerys.He is a descendant of the last Storm King in the female line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Eater Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 I think that means more him being consumed and destroyed by his quest to be king, not him literally burning to death.That's a good interpretation of the vision.He is a descendant of the last Storm King in the female line.And from Aegon V onward through his grandmotherMel won't burn Stannis, but I think she will sacrifice Shireen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Wolf Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 I don't think Mel could burn Stannis for his king's blood even if she cared to. Stannis has the loyalty of his men and it's because of them and her ruby that she hasn't already been killed. The queen's men may defend her but they are a minority even among the southerners with Stannis so they couldn't really hold off the king's men and the northmen who want to spill their guts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost's Shadow Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 The other way around would be so much better! :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxspecific Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Of course she will, it's totally realistic!Melisandre: StannisStannis: ?Melisandre: Look into the flames your grace you will see your victorytStannis: wtfMelisandre: You are the Lord's chosen just do itStannis: okMelisandre: *pushes Stannis into the flames*Done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overlord of Skagos Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 The only way I see this playing out is,Stannis deciding to sacrifice himself to the flames for the realm,after seeing the true power of R'hloor in some fashion and the Others have crushed the people to the point of desperation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxspecific Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 The only way I see this playing out is,Stannis deciding to sacrifice himself to the flames for the realm,after seeing the true power of R'hloor in some fashion and the Others have crushed the people to the point of desperation.Stannis isn't mentally abnormal so no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overlord of Skagos Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Stannis isn't mentally abnormal so no.Its not being mentally abnormal IMO. Stannis does know that he has the power of king's blood in him..its almost like a Harry-potter thing(he realises hes a horcrux himself and needs to die).Stannis has been trying to use the power of king's blood from different sources,whos to say he wont use his own as an ultimate sacrifice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxspecific Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Its not being mentally abnormal IMO. Stannis does know that he has the power of king's blood in him..its almost like a Harry-potter thing(he realises hes a horcrux himself and needs to die).Stannis has been trying to use the power of king's blood from different sources,whos to say he wont use his own as an ultimate sacrifice?Do you people ever take a person's character into account when you theorize possible things they might do? Stannis values his life if anything, he knows he is the true heir to the Throne, he puts the importance of his rebellion far above his agnostic views towards Rh'llor. It's been made painfully clear he knows the red faith has some power but does not worship it.He will not sacrifice himself in such an idiotic fashion. The closest he could come to this character devastating, plot-ruining catastrophe of a scene is leeching a bit of blood off himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morienthar Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 I doubt that would go well for Mels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danm_999 Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 So what are the odds she finally realizes that Stannis is not AAR, and remembers that he has "King's blood" as well?Rather low.After all, her ADWD chapter has her continually telling the fires to show her Azor Ahai, and they keep showing her Jon Snow. And if she can't take that hint, I'm not sure she'll ever go for the idea Stannis isn't AAR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overlord of Skagos Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Do you people ever take a person's character into account when you theorize possible things they might do? Stannis values his life if anything, he knows he is the true heir to the Throne, he puts the importance of his rebellion far above his agnostic views towards Rh'llor. It's been made painfully clear he knows the red faith has some power but does not worship it.He will not sacrifice himself in such an idiotic fashion. The closest he could come to this character devastating, plot-ruining catastrophe of a scene is leeching a bit of blood off himself.about the Stannis values his life part.. In the TWOW Theon chapter,he orders Justin Massey to carry on and make Shireen sit on IT if he dies..something we havent seen Stannis say for a long time. Clearly Stannis knows his life may end anytime,if he valued his life he'd be sitting at the Wall or Dragonstone for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toxspecific Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 For heaven's sake he told him to do that in the scenario that he dies, he didn't say he plans on killing himself. Are you deliberately misinterpreting the life out of that passage?It just amazes me - and I admit makes me rage a bit - whenever people come up with this 'did Ned rape Lyanna' or 'will Stannis bend the knee to Jon' nonsensical theories which require a character's very development to be butchered and tossed down the garbage chute to materialize. Stannis will not kill himself because he wants Shireen to be his heir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morienthar Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 about the Stannis values his life part.. In the TWOW Theon chapter,he orders Justin Massey to carry on and make Shireen sit on IT if he dies..something we havent seen Stannis say for a long time. Clearly Stannis knows his life may end anytime,if he valued his life he'd be sitting at the Wall or Dragonstone for that matter. Him sitting on the wall or at Dragonstone would accomplish nothing and he know this,which is why he leads the armies(from the back anyway). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overlord of Skagos Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 The idea of burning someone as sacrifice maybe idiotic to you and me,but not to Stannis,he believed burning Edric will bring an end to the war.to say he doesnt believe in R'hllor is baseless.When he considers that burning 1 boy for entire kingdom is worth it,there is a certainly a probablity that UNDER EXTREME CIRCUMSTANCES he might consider sacrificing his own life for the greater good.When the Others attack,his rebellion or other disputes wont matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morienthar Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 The idea of burning someone as sacrifice maybe idiotic to you and me,but not to Stannis,he believed burning Edric will bring an end to the war.to say he doesnt believe in R'hllor is baseless.When he considers that burning 1 boy for entire kingdom is worth it,there is a certainly a probablity that UNDER EXTREME CIRCUMSTANCES he might consider sacrificing his own life for the greater good.When the Others attack,his rebellion or other disputes wont matter.Stannis is noble and all that but he isn't that noble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overlord of Skagos Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Stannis is noble and all that but he isn't that noble.we dont really need him to be noble for this, just brain-washed enough by Mel perhaps?ETA: theres no one to show other possiblites..no Jon(if inside Ghost ) or Davos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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