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was stannis meant to be likeable


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#1 Howie Manderly

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 12:50 AM

does anyone know how grrm feels about Stannis?
It's well known he likes Tyrion but with Stannis I can't tell if he's meant to be liked or misliked or if grrm just wants him to be a completely grey character

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 12:51 AM

Yeah, im pretty sure he wanted stannis to be liked.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 12:52 AM

He's meant to be incredibly unlikable yet is one of the most beloved characters by the ASOIAF fanbase.


A testament to his charisma.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 12:56 AM

I always figured GRRM wants all his characters to be grey. That makes everyone polarizing. Are any characters universally loved?

GRRM had to have known Stannis would get goodwill from lots of fans when he saved the NW. That's when I started liking him.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 12:56 AM

You put it perfectly StannisBamfatheon.

#6 ladyofslytherin

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 12:57 AM

No idea how Stannis was meant to be taken, OP, or even if GRRM likes him. What I do know is that you are either a Lord of Chaos or an incredibly brave person to even broach such a topic on this forum. Good luck & Godspeed.

#7 E-Ro

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 01:01 AM

No idea how Stannis was meant to be taken, OP, or even if GRRM likes him. What I do know is that you are either a Lord of Chaos or an incredibly brave person to even broach such a topic on this forum. Good luck & Godspeed.

lol, why is that? Stannis fans dont bite.

#8 StannisBamfatheon

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 01:05 AM

lol, why is that? Stannis fans dont bite.


Our Mad Dog does.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 01:08 AM

GRRM called Stannis a righteous man, so I think he knew what he was doing with the character

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 01:10 AM

GRRM talks about Stannis a bit during the Blackwater episode commentary:

"Stephen Dillane, who plays Stannis, is another wonderful member of our cast. He has sort of a thankless role, 'cause Stannis is almost anti-charismatic. He's such a hard, rigid personality, blunt & brusk. Grudging with praise, quick to complain. It is hard to like him, to capture that personality, Stephen does a very good job."

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 01:10 AM

He surely wanted him to be appealing to a part of the audience.

I guess GRRM likes him too. He once said he could be the closest guy to be considered a hero.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 01:11 AM

Our Mad Dog does.

Oh, forgot about them.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 01:14 AM

By the readers,Yes.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 01:14 AM

Stannis was painted terribly early on. Cat, Davos, and Cressen all have various shades of horror at what Stannis had become. And two of those people are Stannis' biggest supporters. Stannis has since become more endearing, but it was not and is not an easy road to likeability for him.

Edited by JeepCSC, 28 August 2013 - 01:15 AM.


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 01:16 AM

I think not a likable person himself, but his actions (mostly) are supposed to be seen in a positive light. Getting rid of Lannister rule and fighting back the Wildings, good actions... His decisions with Melisandre involved, questionable. What's indisputable is that he's a character and I doubt that GRRM really focuses so much on certain characters if he himself didn't like them, as they are his 'children.'

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 01:48 AM

What makes me think GRRM intended us to like Stannis, and likes him himself is how much incredibly awesome dialog is written for him. Few characters in the books even POV characters say as much as he does. Does that mean anything other than he's a windbag? who can say?

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 02:18 AM

Stannis was meant to be likeable for people who didn't judge from first impressions, who read and analyzed his character properly and who reconciled to the fact that the series isn't just about a few main characters.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 02:37 AM

GRRM talks about Stannis a bit during the Blackwater episode commentary:

"Stephen Dillane, who plays Stannis, is another wonderful member of our cast. He has sort of a thankless role, 'cause Stannis is almost anti-charismatic. He's such a hard, rigid personality, blunt & brusk. Grudging with praise, quick to complain. It is hard to like him, to capture that personality, Stephen does a very good job."


And that's the way he is written in the books also. Only dysfunctional people can love Stannis despite all of what he has done to his Maester Cressen, his brother, his nephew, his political uncle, etc.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 02:38 AM

Guys, where is the link to the interview where GRRM called Stannis a righteous man?

And that's the way he is written in the books also. Only dysfunctional people can love Stannis despite all of what he has done to his Maester Cressen, his brother, his nephew, his political uncle, etc.


You should be doubting whether you should even so much as discuss Stannis if you think him killing that horrible brother of his was not justified.

Edited by Toxspecific, 28 August 2013 - 02:39 AM.


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 02:39 AM

And that's the way he is written in the books also. Only dysfunctional people can love Stannis despite all of what he has done to his Maester Cressen, his brother, his nephew, his political uncle, etc.


Ya hear that Tox we're "dysfunctional"