Audrey Arryn Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Dany is one of the three heads. Edited from previous theory of Dany being 3 headed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of Winters Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Erm, Jon's Queen's Consort... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 I am sorry, but this idea simply doesn't work for me. Point is, Daenerys has many more titles than 3, many more identities, so she is in no way three-headed dragon. Also, there is that factor of obviousness. I know many people believe it is not a proper argument, but in every mystery novels, the most obvious choice, and that is who Dany is in this scenario, usually isn't the one you look for. GRRM practically created situation in which everyone and everything are pointing at Day to be three-headed dragon. And every time he has led us to believe in something with utter certainty, like Jon Arryn's murder, he pulled a rug beneath us and surprised us. So, no, Dany is not three-headed dragon.PTWP is supposed to come from the line of Aerys and Rhaella. That leaves only Jon and Dany as possibilities. IMHO, Dany doesn't fit. Call it a hutch, call it experience based on previous readings, call it whatever you want. I am aware of everything that points at Dany, and she was even called PTWP by Aemon, but I believe she isn't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audrey Arryn Posted September 12, 2013 Author Share Posted September 12, 2013 I am sorry, but this idea simply doesn't work for me. Point is, Daenerys has many more titles than 3, many more identities, so she is in no way three-headed dragon. Also, there is that factor of obviousness. I know many people believe it is not a proper argument, but in every mystery novels, the most obvious choice, and that is who Dany is in this scenario, usually isn't the one you look for. GRRM practically created situation in which everyone and everything are pointing at Day to be three-headed dragon. And every time he has led us to believe in something with utter certainty, like Jon Arryn's murder, he pulled a rug beneath us and surprised us. So, no, Dany is not three-headed dragon.PTWP is supposed to come from the line of Aerys and Rhaella. That leaves only Jon and Dany as possibilities. IMHO, Dany doesn't fit. Call it a hutch, call it experience based on previous readings, call it whatever you want. I am aware of everything that points at Dany, and she was even called PTWP by Aemon, but I believe she isn't...Jon isnt even a prince...How does it not work?How is it obvious Dany is the 3 headed dragon when everyone thinks its 3 people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dornishman's Wife Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Jon isnt even a prince...Hm? How isn't he a prince? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenerationx Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Jon isnt even a prince...How does it not work?How is it obvious Dany is the 3 headed dragon when everyone thinks its 3 people?Actually, many of us believe it is ONE person -- that person just isn't Dany. It's Jon Snow, Stark, TargaryenJon was born a prince... in fact, he might have even been born a king. How can you acknowledge him as a Targaryen and yet not recognize that he's a prince? If he needs to literally be related to the current rulers to have that title, then Dany isn't actually a princess either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audrey Arryn Posted September 12, 2013 Author Share Posted September 12, 2013 Hm? How isn't he a prince?He was born King when Rhaegar Aerys and Aegon were dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audrey Arryn Posted September 12, 2013 Author Share Posted September 12, 2013 Actually, many of us believe it is ONE person -- that person just isn't Dany. It's Jon Snow, Stark, TargaryenJon was born a prince... in fact, he might have even been born a king. How can you acknowledge him as a Targaryen and yet not recognize that he's a prince? If he needs to literally be related to the current rulers to have that title, then Dany isn't actually a princess either.I dont understand this line. How is Dany not a princess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Jon isnt even a prince...How does it not work?How is it obvious Dany is the 3 headed dragon when everyone thinks its 3 people?Jon IS a prince. As for how does it not work, it's simple. If you read the good mystery novel, and ASOIAF has plenty elements of mystery novels, the most obvious assassin is usually innocent. That is the same here... Look at Jon Arryn's murder parallel and you will see, that most obvious thing - Lannisters killing Jon actually never happened.No, readers think that three-headed dragon are three persons. No one in ASOIAF universe discussed it at length, other then Rhaegar, who, as we know, was wrong in his interpretations.He was born King when Rhaegar Aerys and Aegon were deadJon was born around Sack of KL. He might have been born as a Prince since we do not know in what precise moment Jon was born.I dont understand this line. How is Dany not a princess?She claims to be a Queen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yolkboy Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 In what way is Dany 'promised'?We can relate it to Jon because of the 'promise me Ned' line, which seem to be his mothers last words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audrey Arryn Posted September 12, 2013 Author Share Posted September 12, 2013 Jon IS a prince.As for how does it not work, it's simple. If you read the good mystery novel, and ASOIAF has plenty elements of mystery novels, the most obvious assassin is usually innocent. That is the same here... Look at Jon Arryn's murder parallel and you will see, that most obvious thing - Lannisters killing Jon actually never happened.No, readers think that three-headed dragon are three persons. No one in ASOIAF universe discussed it at length, other then Rhaegar, who, as we know, was wrong in his interpretations.Jon was born around Sack of KL. He might have been born as a Prince since we do not know in what precise moment Jon was born.She claims to be a Queen...Just like Jon claims to be a bastard cause he doesnt know he is a King......If Jon was born a prince then the whole KG theory falls to crumbles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dornishman's Wife Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 He was born King when Rhaegar Aerys and Aegon were deadAh, I see what you mean. The way they use the word "prince" in aSoIaF, that doesn't detract from his princedom though. E.g. Young Griff is also called Prince even though he should actually be the king as he isn't officially crowned yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audrey Arryn Posted September 12, 2013 Author Share Posted September 12, 2013 In what way is Dany 'promised'?We can relate it to Jon because of the 'promise me Ned' line, which seem to be his mothers last words.Maybe Darry promised Rhaella to keep both her children safe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenerationx Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 I dont understand this line. How is Dany not a princess?This was before I saw your reply that you believe Jon was born a king and not a prince. The explanation for what I meant by Dany is the sentence beginning "If he needs to literally be related to the current rulers..." However if that's not what you meant, the point's moot.He was born King when Rhaegar Aerys and Aegon were deadIf Aegon isn't fake, then HE is king, which makes Jon a prince. And if Rhaegar and Lyanna weren't married, then Jon wasn't King, and maybe a bastard prince, if that's an actual thing. But anyway, I think we're dealing with semantics here a little bit. I think "prince" can not only refer to literal princes, but children of kings/princes... the line of royalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audrey Arryn Posted September 12, 2013 Author Share Posted September 12, 2013 Ah, I see what you mean. The way they use the word "prince" in aSoIaF, that doesn't detract from his princedom though. E.g. Young Griff is also called Prince even though he should actually be the king as he isn't officially crowned yet.But the difference is that Jon has been referenced as King in the story in occasions like Mormont's crow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Just like Jon claims to be a bastard cause he doesnt know he is a King......If Jon was born a prince then the whole KG theory falls to crumbles.How? If he is born as prince, and after death of the KIng, he becomes King. In what scenario, if Jon is being born as prince, KG theory falls. Jon is first in line.Jon is not King, since Targaryen dynasty was deposed of all claims to IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yolkboy Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Maybe Darry promised Rhaella to keep both her children safe?I was talking about something in the 5000 pages of text. I really don't see an offpage promise for this one, Tptwp seems too important, and George likes his riddles to be solvable from canon, as far as I can tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crow's Third Eye Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 All working on the assumption Jon is a Targ and was legitimate and Aegon is a fake of course :) But yes, while I like Daenerys I do think there are another 2 heads, as in the earlier books doesn't she frequently mention: The dragon needs three heads. And she, with the little education she has had, knows that Rhaegal and Viserion will never be ridden by her. (I am one of those who doesn't know whether to believe R and L = J. Purely because I won't look at the clues on here until I see the hints myself in the book, which so far I haven't. This doesn't mean I disbelieve it either, no more than I believe or disbelieve that Aegon is fake) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 I agree that all the evidence seems to point towards Dany being TPtwP but my gut feeling tells me she isn't because of the reasons Mladen has already given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audrey Arryn Posted September 12, 2013 Author Share Posted September 12, 2013 How? If he is born as prince, and after death of the KIng, he becomes King. In what scenario, if Jon is being born as prince, KG theory falls. Jon is first in line.Jon is not King, since Targaryen dynasty was deposed of all claims to IT.The KG were protecting Jon because he was King, and the targ dynasty hadn't fallen yet because Robert hadn't made Baratheon the royal family yet. If Jon was born a prince then that means the KG shouldn't have been there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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