Umm........How many Blackfyre Rebellions?

[KingMaekarWasHere]

Hey guys, so I went to the House Blackfyre page on A Wiki of Ice and Fire after I saw a comment on another website that mentioned as many as FIVE Blackfyre rebellions? I thought that the statement might be false at first until I went to the wiki and saw the likely reality of it. So besides the rebellion in the mystery knight story of dunk and egg, and the war of the nine-penny kings, and the first rebellion, where exactly did the other two fit in? And what if the nine-penny war didn't count? So in that case there could have been three more Blackfyre rebellions than we first thought!? To me this seems alluding to the idea that Dunk and Egg may never be finished in their journeys with fighting the Black Dragon? Here is the quote from the wiki below.

"The Second Blackfyre Rebellion took place in 212 AL. It never spread beyond the walls of Whitewalls, but several key Blackfyre supporters were killed.^[3] The remaining sons and their descendants attacked the Seven Kingdoms a number of times (as many as five Blackfyre rebellions have been mentioned)."

So what do you guys out there think about this? Have you heard of this before, because I never have.

[mindchap]

Hey guys, so I went to the House Blackfyre page on A Wiki of Ice and Fire after I saw a comment on another website that mentioned as many as FIVE Blackfyre rebellions? I thought that the statement might be false at first until I went to the wiki and saw the likely reality of it. So besides the rebellion in the mystery knight story of dunk and egg, and the war of the nine-penny kings, and the first rebellion, where exactly did the other two fit in? And what if the nine-penny war didn't count? So in that case there could have been three more Blackfyre rebellions than we first thought!? To me this seems alluding to the idea that Dunk and Egg may never be finished in their journeys with fighting the Black Dragon? Here is the quote from the wiki below.

"The Second Blackfyre Rebellion took place in 212 AL. It never spread beyond the walls of Whitewalls, but several key Blackfyre supporters were killed.^[3] The remaining sons and their descendants attacked the Seven Kingdoms a number of times (as many as five Blackfyre rebellions have been mentioned)."

So what do you guys out there think about this? Have you heard of this before, because I never have.

I'm pretty sure these will be scattered throughout the D&E tales. He hopes to write 6-9 more of them so we will probably not get details until then.

[Twenty of House Goodmen]

Well, I'm not to sure, but I believe it's mentioned somewhere that Aegor and the Golden Company attempted to invade Westeros a couple of times. Does the War of the Ninepenny Kings count as one?

As for where the other two fit in, it's possible the rebel lord that killed Maekar was a Blackfryre supporter, which would mean one of the rebellions took place at the end of Maekar's reign. I'm not sure where the other one would fit. They were both likely much smaller scale conflicts in comparison to the first rebellion or the Ninepenny war, which is probably why there's no info on them.

[Bright Blue Eyes]

Yes, except the first one, all the Blackfyre Rebellions happened during Dunk's and Egg's lives. It is unclear whether the War of the Ninepenny Kings was the fifth one or a sixth that was named differently, probably because of the involvement of eight Essosi power players.

Considering all the comments about the marriages of Egg's three sons and especially Duncan the Small's and the bride prices paid in corpses, it is very likely that these marriages directly caused at least one Blackfyre Rebellion.

[Trinton07]

Yeah we only know of the three rebellions so far; the original one, the second rebellion at whitewalls, and the war of the ninepenny kings, which i would consider a blackfyre rebellion since its aim was to put a blackfyre on the throne. we'll surely hear of more in later dunk and egg tales, if there were any other rebellions, and i think there probably were, although i don't personally remember anything about any other ones.

[KingMaekarWasHere]

Well, I'm not to sure, but I believe it's mentioned somewhere that Aegor and the Golden Company attempted to invade Westeros a couple of times. Does the War of the Ninepenny Kings count as one?

As for where the other two fit in, it's possible the rebel lord that killed Maekar was a Blackfryre supporter, which would mean one of the rebellions took place at the end of Maekar's reign. I'm not sure where the other one would fit. They were both likely much smaller scale conflicts in comparison to the first rebellion or the Ninepenny war, which is probably why there's no info on them.

I agree Maekar's death is likely due to one of the last Blackfyre rebellions. But since Gormy Peake and his friends were executed by the Bloodraven, who's left that the Black Dragon could call a friend?

[KingMaekarWasHere]

I'm pretty sure these will be scattered throughout the D&E tales. He hopes to write 6-9 more of them so we will probably not get details until then.

thanks mindchap, I didn't know GRRM was going to write that many more. I hope that the next two come in the same book, likely one of those two will mention how the next Blackfyre rebellion got started.

[mindchap]

I agree Maekar's death is likely due to one of the last Blackfyre rebellions. But since Gormy Peake and his friends were executed by the Bloodraven, who's left that the Black Dragon could call a friend?

thanks mindchap, I didn't know GRRM was going to write that many more. I hope that the next two come in the same book, likely one of those two will mention how the next Blackfyre rebellion got started.

Peake was the only one executed by Bloodraven, the other head on the spear was Black Tom, who Dunk killed in the Sept. And your welcome, I like these stories just as much as the novels. The next one coming is called The Shewolves of Winterfell.

[Raining Blood Magic]

All haven't been revealed yet. Patience.

[Trinton07]

Peake was the only one executed by Bloodraven, the other head on the spear was Black Tom, who Dunk killed in the Sept. And your welcome, I like these stories just as much as the novels. The next one coming is called The Shewolves of Winterfell.

Actually I read this on GRRM's "not a blog" a little bit back.

Jul. 30th, 2013 04:35 pm (UTC)

Wasn't the story supposed to be called "She-wolves of Winterfell"? The fourth installment of the "Hedge Knight" series? Or am I confusing something here?

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Jul. 30th, 2013 05:42 pm (UTC)

You're out of date, and that was never the actual title.

first two comments http://grrm.livejournal.com/331218.html

[mindchap]

Actually I read this on GRRM's "not a blog" a little bit back.

Jul. 30th, 2013 04:35 pm (UTC)

Wasn't the story supposed to be called "She-wolves of Winterfell"? The fourth installment of the "Hedge Knight" series? Or am I confusing something here?

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Jul. 30th, 2013 05:42 pm (UTC)

You're out of date, and that was never the actual title.

first two comments http://grrm.livejour...com/331218.html

He must be pushing the story further back then, maybe spoiler issues. Or maybe he's decided not to send them to Winterfell yet. :bang:

edt Headsmashing

[The Frost Wolf]

Well, I'm not to sure, but I believe it's mentioned somewhere that Aegor and the Golden Company attempted to invade Westeros a couple of times. Does the War of the Ninepenny Kings count as one?

As for where the other two fit in, it's possible the rebel lord that killed Maekar was a Blackfryre supporter, which would mean one of the rebellions took place at the end of Maekar's reign. I'm not sure where the other one would fit. They were both likely much smaller scale conflicts in comparison to the first rebellion or the Ninepenny war, which is probably why there's no info on them.

I got that from the wiki too - all we know is that Maekar "fell in battle against a rebel lord" and it was put down to being either Blackfyre or by one of the Lothsons. Considering we know that the Blackfyre claim was extinguished (through the male line I might add) on the Stepstones when Ser Barristan slew Maelys the Monstrous, we can assume that there were quite a few other revolts preceding it since Barristan and the Blackfish (another knight who furthered his reputation in the War of Ninepenny Kings) are still alive in ASOIAF and aren't extremely old (judging on a scale of age from Lady Hayford - Maester Aemon). So I'm guessing the number could be five and possibly even more. However, another thing we should consider is the magnitude of each of these revolts, there's a large difference between rallying half of Westeros to your cause as opposed to rallying a few knights at a tourney.

[KingMaekarWasHere]

He must be pushing the story further back then, maybe spoiler issues. Or maybe he's decided not to send them to Winterfell yet. :bang:

edt Headsmashing

It would be interesting if Dunk and Egg went to the Vale though. That way Dunk could find out why Arlan of Pennytree went there, after all Tyrion saw Arlan's shield there I believe in AGOT.

[assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar]

Weren't there like nine total, or something? Nine sounds right.

[mindchap]

Weren't there like nine total, or something? Nine sounds right.

This is from an SSM(but a little old)

How many Dunk and Egg stories, and will they cover their lifetime?

The number of stories is not set. Nine, ten, twelve, whatever it takes. They will carry the tale forward to the end of Dunk´s life. More than that I am not willing to reveal. The third story, The Mystery Knight, is finished and will be published in the anthology WARRIORS, edited by me and Gardner Dozois.

[Lost Melnibonean]

House Yronwood rode with Bittersteel three times. Since Bittersteel did not support the Second Blackfyre Rebellion, there must have been four by the time of Bittersteel's death. And we have at least five with Maelys during the WOT9PK. But one of the Golden Company officers mentioned the others (plural) the followed Bittersteel. Thus there were probably six, which makes sense since there was probably a generation between Daemon and Maelys.

[assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar]

This is from an SSM(but a little old)

Yeah I meant nine Blackfyre Rebellions. Which was the question.

[not in the face]

House Yronwood rode with Bittersteel three times. Since Bittersteel did not support the Second Blackfyre Rebellion, there must have been four by the time of Bittersteel's death. And we have at least five with Maelys during the WOT9PK. But one of the Golden Company officers mentioned the others (plural) the followed Bittersteel. Thus there were probably six, which makes sense since there was probably a generation between Daemon and Maelys.

I was wondering if the Vulture King was a Blackyre. He originated out of the Red Mountains in Dorne so Yronwood might have supported him too.

[Lost Melnibonean]

Well, I'm not to sure, but I believe it's mentioned somewhere that Aegor and the Golden Company attempted to invade Westeros a couple of times. Does the War of the Ninepenny Kings count as one?

As for where the other two fit in, it's possible the rebel lord that killed Maekar was a Blackfryre supporter, which would mean one of the rebellions took place at the end of Maekar's reign. I'm not sure where the other one would fit. They were both likely much smaller scale conflicts in comparison to the first rebellion or the Ninepenny war, which is probably why there's no info on them.

That's what I thought umtil somebody in an olderthread pointed me toward an SSM indicating that Maekarvwas not killed in a Blackfyre Rebellion.

[The Lady Lannister]

He must be pushing the story further back then, maybe spoiler issues. Or maybe he's decided not to send them to Winterfell yet. :bang:

edt Headsmashing

I have recently preordered Dangerous Women (the anthology) on Amazon and it is due to come out on the 3rd December 2013.

Bloodraven specifically mentions that he would not kill Daemon II Blackfyre so that Bittersteel could not crown Haegon. I wonder if the following Blackfyre rebellions were fought after Daemon II died, or did they try to free him? Or what happaned to him?