Captain_Falcon Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 WiC reports that:"[Their] sources are reporting that Noah Taylor is indeed returning as Locke, and that the Bolton bannerman who took Jaime Lannister's sword hand will be taking the black with the Night's Watch in season 4."As most of you know, the character Locke was never actually in the books. He is a loose interpretation of the character Vargo Hoat, who dies shortly after cutting Jaime's hand off. So... what will be the purpose of sending Locke to the wall?Book Spoilers: Spoiler Is it possible that he will simply take the place of Janos Slynt and eventually get beheaded by Jon "Lord Commander" Snow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Falcon Posted October 10, 2013 Author Share Posted October 10, 2013 Bump. What lies ahead for Locke at the Wall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyJoe Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 A shameful fucking performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Tahu Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 There are multiple threads about this already. Anyway, Janos and Alliser are both confirmed to return in season 4 so he won't simply replace them. He could join them as a third co-conspirator though, if they want to make the scheming a larger plot point in season 5 (which I think is the most likely situation). The other theory I read is that Grenn and Edd will be revealed to have died at Craster's Keep, and that Locke will befriend Jon and take over their roles. I personally would hate it if Edd is dead, but if there is anyone that can replace him it is Locke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sertravisredbeard Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 That would be interesting. I doubt Jon would become friends with a guy that was a Bolton man, if the word comes north of what happened at the Twins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khal-a-bunga Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I get the feeling that Locke will end up being a not-so-bad guy when he gets to Castle Black. I mean, if he look at his actions with some perspective, it's quite clear that many of his actions in the third season stemmed from a hatred of nobility, and their sense of entitlement. With Thorne and Slynt both confirmed to be returning in season four, I just don't know that they'll need another antagonistic character at that location. Even if Grenn and Edd are both alive (which, I believe they are, personally, as they likely would have been killed on-screen if they weren't going to show up again), I think Locke is more likely to work with Jon than against him, despite his 'nobility'. And the Wall needs more 'good' guys in this upcoming battle. Maybe he'll, to some degree, assume the role of Donal Noye (or perhaps Grenn, even Edd could fulfill this role) in season four. Either way, I don't think he's being sent to the Wall just to act as another impediment to Jon. Would seem a bit redundant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Napyura Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Bowen Marsh replacement? edit: or god please no Donal Noye replacement... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Tahu Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Bowen Marsh replacement? edit: or god please no Donal Noye replacement... Because Alliser Thorne has been written as a slightly more sympathetic character on the show, if they were to replace Bowen I think they would have Alliser do it, and then have Locke replace Alliser in the scheming. It wouldn't make any sense for Locke to be the one that replaces Bowen, that role really needs to be played by a senior of the Watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Napyura Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Because Alliser Thorne has been written as a slightly more sympathetic character on the show, if they were to replace Bowen I think they would have Alliser do it, and then have Locke replace Alliser in the scheming. It wouldn't make any sense for Locke to be the one that replaces Bowen, that role really needs to be played by a senior of the Watch. But what about Donal? His influence in NW is instrumental for some of, if not of most of Jons actions. Do they plan to have Jon kill giant and get HC rank based on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Tahu Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 But what about Donal? His influence in NW is instrumental for some of, if not of most of Jons actions. Do they plan to have Jon kill giant and get HC rank based on that? What did Donal do again, aside from killing a giant? I have a feeling he will be cut entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkAndFullOfTurnips Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Because Alliser Thorne has been written as a slightly more sympathetic character on the show, if they were to replace Bowen I think they would have Alliser do it, and then have Locke replace Alliser in the scheming. It wouldn't make any sense for Locke to be the one that replaces Bowen, that role really needs to be played by a senior of the Watch.How is Thorne any more sympathetic on the show? He's better on the show, but how is he more sympathetic? Because he told Jon and Sam he had to eat horses and men shortly before telling them both they were going to die because they're not real men? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Tahu Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 How is Thorne any more sympathetic on the show? He's better on the show, but how is he more sympathetic? Because he told Jon and Sam he had to eat horses and men shortly before telling them both they were going to die because they're not real men? In the book he just seemed like a total dick. On the show he was still a dick but it seemed that his actions were just as much about training and preparing them as they were him just being a dick. Maybe sympathetic isn't the best word, but show-Alliser is definitely a nicer person than book-Alliser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Napyura Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 What did Donal do again, aside from killing a giant? I have a feeling he will be cut entirely. Donal had influence on how Jon would develop in Nights Watch. Giant, the speech they gave to Tyrion in S1. Donal is a senior in Nights Watch that gave his trust in Jon not deserting it. Basically Donal Noye is worth of half S4 Battle of the Wall material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Falcon Posted October 11, 2013 Author Share Posted October 11, 2013 I really enjoyed Locke on the show, but I have a hard time believing they will make him out to be a good guy after he tried to rape Brienne. Chopping off the kingslayer's hand is one thing but raping an (arguably) innocent woman is another IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolan Baratheon Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 WiC reports that:"[Their] sources are reporting that Noah Taylor is indeed returning as Locke, and that the Bolton bannerman who took Jaime Lannister's sword hand will be taking the black with the Night's Watch in season 4."As most of you know, the character Locke was never actually in the books. He is a loose interpretation of the character Vargo Hoat, who dies shortly after cutting Jaime's hand off. So... what will be the purpose of sending Locke to the wall?Book Spoilers: Spoiler Is it possible that he will simply take the place of Janos Slynt and eventually get beheaded by Jon "Lord Commander" Snow? No, Janos Slynt will also be in season 4.http://winteriscoming.net/2013/06/slynt-lysa-and-rorge-set-to-return-for-s4/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frumpus Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 It would be really stupid to make Locke a thick headed one dimensional villain who always sides with who the audience is rooting against (in this case Janos and Alliser). Considering this is a man who was from the north and he is responsible for what happened to Jaime Lannister, wouldn't it make more sense for him to be an ally of Jon Snow? Wouldn't he sympathize more with a bastard who had to take the black than with the rich noblemen that he scorns? If the writers choose the cheap route of playing to audience expectations, then I will be sorely disappointed in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rystine Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 I really enjoyed Locke on the show, but I have a hard time believing they will make him out to be a good guy after he tried to rape Brienne. Chopping off the kingslayer's hand is one thing but raping an (arguably) innocent woman is another IMO.He doesn't have to be a good guy per se, just friendly/loyal to Jon.It would make a lot of sense, if Locke does go to the wall, for him to be friendly with Jon. He's a northerner, Locke was obviously loyal to the northern cause by capturing and maiming Jaime rather than releasing him for a reward, and if he does go to the wall it will probably be on the order of Tywin and/or Roose as punishment. So he won't be too fond of Lannisters at that point, nor anyone claiming to be friendly with them.From a character perspective, it makes a lot more sense for Locke to be a buddy to Jon than an enemy. That said, the show runners seem to like making the story more black and white, and less gray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monkey Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 If he goes to the Wall, it has to be because he's fleeing from Lannister men. No way that Tywin could let the man who maimed his son and "heir" just take the black as punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khal-a-bunga Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 If he goes to the Wall, it has to be because he's fleeing from Lannister men. No way that Tywin could let the man who maimed his son and "heir" just take the black as punishment. I may have read it here before, but it's possible that Tywin calls for his life, and Roose secretly disobeys him by sending Locke to the Wall. Seems reasonable enough, as I agree that Tywin wouldn't want whoever maimed his son to live. Also, agree with rystine, and I'm hoping the writers decide to go that route. Noah Taylor is a great, versatile actor, so to see them take his character in an unexpected direction like that would be both dramatically satisfying, and something that he could handle with ease. Also, not sure if it's true (since it was found on Reddit, after all), but there is a poster there claiming to be an extra for the battle of the Wall. He claims that both giants and mammoths are involved, that there is a smaller skirmish prior to the big battle itself, and that the actors who play Grenn & Edd have both been present for the shoot. He also said that he was 'surprised' at the scale of the battle, even though he seems familiar enough with the show to remember Blackwater. Maybe when D&D said that this battle was going to be bigger than Blackwater, they really meant it. Oh, and the poster also mentioned that three different fighting forces had been present - the Wildlings, the Night's Watch, and Stannis' men. I'll try to dredge up the link if I can find it, and edit this post with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zylathas Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 I think he could be a mix between donal noye & Bowen marsh although that role could better fit Aliser Thorne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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