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Littlefinger - the next Kingmaker?


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From the beginning of the story, Lysa, at the behest of Littlefinger has deliberately kept Vale troops intact and home, out of the fighting. She is now dead ofcourse and Littlefinger (theoretically anyway) is in command. Speed up to ADWD and Aegon/Young Griff and Jon Connington have landed and are looking for other houses to join their cause. Dorne is a must because after all, Doran is supposedly his Uncle. However, the Vale is mentioned too as an intact force that has stayed out of the fighting. How Convenient. I stand by my theory that Littlefinger may see a better marriage for Sansa than Harry the Heir and use the "assets" of the Vale, IE troops/army to swing the balance and be a Kingmaker. With the assasinations and chaos that are about to take place in Kings Landing, the Lannisters are doomed, anyone can see that. The Tyrells have their homeland under full scale invasion from the Iron Born and the Dornish have an army that is on their door step to boot. Baelish/Littlefinger has been a Lannister man and everyone knows it. He is way too smart to go down with the losing side. He will want to be with the ruler on the throne and that seems to be Aegon's destiny, atleast for a little while.

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That would be likely, if Littlefinger doesn't know about Daenerys. I believe he does know about Daenerys, and if that is the case, I don't see him supporting Aegon against Dany.

I agree. I actually think Sansa is gonna outmaneuver LF somehow and she herself with ally (and possibly marry) Aegon.

If there's gonna be a kingmaker in the Dance 2.0 I think it's gonna be Arianne. She already failed once with Myrcella but I think she's going to contribute to Aegon and Dany's rivalry

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Lf is an oppurtunist he sides with whoever can advance his cause, LF will not last long he wants Sansa to himself and whoever he marries her to will not live long enough to sire a child with her which eventually he himself will try to do. LF also does not like Varys and will see through this charade.

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I agree. I actually think Sansa is gonna outmaneuver LF somehow

Agreed. And she will be te king maker not LF. But not now. Later. After the war is over. Sansa will bring everyone together behind a king/queen.

It's the ironic end for Sansa and LF. Sansa has always been the pawn, a little bird who sings of brave knights and ladies. And LF is the ultimate player. But in the end he'll be out maneuvered by his own doing.

Though LF Sansa has near command of the vale (and it's intact army) as well as (possibly) Harrenhall and LFs lands.

Through her family he has ties to WF and River Run. Which by the end will likely be back in friendly control. Her sister can bring Gandry and with him Sansa has a connection to the storm lads. Obviously the bwb will be on board.

From her time at KL she has contacts in the Reach and is still married to a Lanister.

The great irony in the end will be that all of LFs maneuvering made Sansa the king maker. lF will never make a king. By hopefully he lives long enough to see Sansa do it.

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Since the Lannisters were still a force to be reckoned with.

Yeah he supported the Lannisters (at that time) because they offered him the most power. It all comes down to him in the end, he has no honor or loyalty.

To Littlefingers knowledge, Sansa is the strongest claim to the North so a marriage to Aegon is the only way I see this going.

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Littlefinger would most likely end up trying to marry Sansa to Aegon instead with the insistence of the Vale's army behind it along with the promise of the North supporting Sansa as the last legitimate heir to Winterfell, presuming they continue to be unaware of Bran, Rickon and Arya's existence. But I agree, I think Sansa is going to outmaneuver LF and supplant herself in a position with Aegon or possibly even Dany if that is ever reconciled. She's learning the game from the best, after all

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Agreed. And she will be te king maker not LF. But not now. Later. After the war is over. Sansa will bring everyone together behind a king/queen.

It's the ironic end for Sansa and LF. Sansa has always been the pawn, a little bird who sings of brave knights and ladies. And LF is the ultimate player. But in the end he'll be out maneuvered by his own doing.

Though LF Sansa has near command of the vale (and it's intact army) as well as (possibly) Harrenhall and LFs lands.

Through her family he has ties to WF and River Run. Which by the end will likely be back in friendly control. Her sister can bring Gandry and with him Sansa has a connection to the storm lads. Obviously the bwb will be on board.

From her time at KL she has contacts in the Reach and is still married to a Lanister.

The great irony in the end will be that all of LFs maneuvering made Sansa the king maker. lF will never make a king. By hopefully he lives long enough to see Sansa do it.

That would be a delicious irony, and she is, as you've pointed out, probably the character with the most connections to the most players.

Sansa's comment to Cersei (something about how, if she were Queen, she'd make the smallfolk love her) indicated she'd probably be a better ruler than most people in the story, at least in peacetime, so it could all work out well. All hail Queen Sansa!

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LF is in a great position to engineer a remarkably strong position for himself with Sansa. But I can't completely lose sight of the fact that LF is a bit of a flawed individual, still bitterly resents his loss of Cat during his childhood and there is still a bit of the randy, lovestruck 14 year old lad in him.

My hunch is that Sansa will be LF's undoing because he'll want her for himself and she's growing enough to know when and how to exploit his weakness. It certainly wouldn't be the first time someone has gotten everything they wanted and the thrown it away in pursuit of their baser instincts.

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It certainly wouldn't be the first time someone has gotten everything they wanted and the thrown it away in pursuit of their baser instincts.

Of course you are correct. However I'd certainly be disappointed if the LF/Sansa thing just came down to LF's demise because of his feelings for her. I'm not saying it is not likely, just that this outcome would seem a bit too obvious and conventional for me as a reader. Isn't it what we've come to expect from Mr. Martin's writing? Surprises and twists at every turn, characters who behave unexpectedly, and unprecedented plots within plots.

LF is resourceful and has more than one trick up his sleeve and somehow I don't see him fall so "easily" (even though love is the ultimate feeling and makes all of us "fall"), somehow I'd like him to remain one of the best players of the game (I have a thing for cigarette men a la x files, showing no weaknesses nor emotions, because they exude mystery and add depth to any storyline). Naturally it is easier to connect with LF knowing his chilhood story with Cat, something he has never overcome. This adds an essential layer to the character, at the core of his subsequent actions and maneuvering. And yet he might have become more jaded (and more or less indifferent to down to earth emotions) than we think, with only the game of thrones in mind.

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I agree. I actually think Sansa is gonna outmaneuver LF somehow and she herself with ally (and possibly marry) Aegon.

If there's gonna be a kingmaker in the Dance 2.0 I think it's gonna be Arianne. She already failed once with Myrcella but I think she's going to contribute to Aegon and Dany's rivalry

i personally hope and believe the next Kingmaker will be Jaime, when he crowns Jon. We already know he feels extremely guilty that he couldn't protect Elia, Aegon, and Rhaenys, so if he finds out Rhaegar has a legit son left then he'll try to "atone" for it.
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I know I'm boring, but how about: Littlefinger - the next character to die?

no!

everyone here seems to think sansa is going to out maneuver littlefinger...while everything is possible....have you guys forgotten what happens in this series in regards to the "good guys" beating all odds to bring down the oppressive villains!? i really hope sansa doesnt out maneuver LF, and while i believe she could become the next great player in her own right...she wont outdo LF anytime soon, or anytime period

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