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#1 Angalin

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 10:18 AM

Really small question - Why is Cersei always referred to as "Cersei Lannister", when all the other married women (that I can tell) have been referred to with their husbands name? Catelyn is at times referred to as Catelyn Tully, but not too frequently (and usually only when referring to her before she was married), but I've never seen Cersei called "Cersei Baratheon" in the books. Is it because she never thought of herself as a Baratheon, but always as a Lannister, so GRRM wrote it that way?



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 10:23 AM

In Got when selmy is dismissed from the KG he is told that Lord tywin has granted him lands, but Tywin is upset that he is dismissed. So why was it stated that he had given him lands?

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 10:56 AM

Really small question - Why is Cersei always referred to as "Cersei Lannister", when all the other married women (that I can tell) have been referred to with their husbands name? Catelyn is at times referred to as Catelyn Tully, but not too frequently (and usually only when referring to her before she was married), but I've never seen Cersei called "Cersei Baratheon" in the books. Is it because she never thought of herself as a Baratheon, but always as a Lannister, so GRRM wrote it that way?


Simply because there are no personal cards, passports and driving licenses with your name on it in Westeros, so everyone is free to refer to married women by whatever surname they prefer.

However, probably Cersei herself preferred to be addressed to as Cersei Lannister, so maybe the court picked on and started calling her that way.

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 10:58 AM

In Got when selmy is dismissed from the KG he is told that Lord tywin has granted him lands, but Tywin is upset that he is dismissed. So why was it stated that he had given him lands?


Good catch. Probably Tywin didn't know about Selmy being dismissed at all, while Cersei granted him some lands in Westerlands without Tywin's knowledge and approval.

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 11:07 AM

Simply because there are no personal cards, passports and driving licenses with your name on it in Westeros, so everyone is free to refer to married women by whatever surname they prefer.

However, probably Cersei herself preferred to be addressed to as Cersei Lannister, so maybe the court picked on and started calling her that way.


Thanks. I figured it was probably just because she preferred it.. I just found it interesting that it wasn't just the characters that referred to her that way, but also GRRM, when writing about her, always referred to her as Lannister. It just stood out to me since he didn't do that with any other married woman. Which I guess says a lot about her character and how much she hated being married to Robert, and never saw herself as becoming part of the Baratheon house. Off-topic musing, but I always wondered how different her character might have turned out if she had married to someone she could have loved, like how she wanted Rhaegar.

Edited by the silver queen, 21 September 2013 - 11:10 AM.


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Posted 21 September 2013 - 02:21 PM

In Got when selmy is dismissed from the KG he is told that Lord tywin has granted him lands, but Tywin is upset that he is dismissed. So why was it stated that he had given him lands?

Good catch. Probably Tywin didn't know about Selmy being dismissed at all, while Cersei granted him some lands in Westerlands without Tywin's knowledge and approval.

It was just a charade, they probably intended to kill him...

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 02:26 PM

It was just a charade, they probably intended to kill him...


Well Varys probably wanted him with Dany or Aegon, and he's the one who actually maid the claim about Tywin giving him the lands. I think if Cersei was going to kill him she would have killed him and avoided the problem of retiring a Kingsguard member at all.

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 03:05 PM

Well Varys probably wanted him with Dany or Aegon, and he's the one who actually maid the claim about Tywin giving him the lands. I think if Cersei was going to kill him she would have killed him and avoided the problem of retiring a Kingsguard member at all.

Oh varys did, well then you are right, I withdraw my previous statement...

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 05:01 PM

In the Jon chapter in ADWD with the 9 wildlings survivors, there are six alive:
Mother
Child
Old Man 1
Old Man 2
Thenn
Hornfoot

Two corpses and then one wounded MAN
but later Jon says a pale faced crone is tied to the back of a garron. Where did she come from?

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 05:29 PM

In aFfC, after running from the Sept of Baelor because of Lord Tywin's decomposing state, Tommen is told b his uncle Jamie that there are many horrors in the world, and one way of dealing with them is to 'go away inside.' Tommen then states he used to do that when Joffy...
But is interrupted by Cersei and her sharp rebuke for calling him Joffy and shaming her.
My question is: was Joffery violent towards Tommen? Was there more? Do we perhaps see a Aeron-Euron rusty hinge 2.0 with this? Or does it simply mean Joffery's cruelty extended to his siblings too?

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 05:57 PM

In aFfC, after running from the Sept of Baelor because of Lord Tywin's decomposing state, Tommen is told b his uncle Jamie that there are many horrors in the world, and one way of dealing with them is to 'go away inside.' Tommen then states he used to do that when Joffy...
But is interrupted by Cersei and her sharp rebuke for calling him Joffy and shaming her.
My question is: was Joffery violent towards Tommen? Was there more? Do we perhaps see a Aeron-Euron rusty hinge 2.0 with this? Or does it simply mean Joffery's cruelty extended to his siblings too?


i think it means when he saw Joffrey doing horrible things he "went away inside."

#12 bloodsteel bitterraven

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 06:36 PM

How did the direwolf that Robb and Jon found go south of the Wall?

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 06:59 PM

The Prince That Was Promised - Who promised him/her? I checked the wiki and it seems like it is unclear. I fear (hope?) GRRM will do something genie-like with this concept and make people very careful about what they wish for. Could the "promise" be something ominus?

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 07:22 PM

in affc kingsmoot euron has 'plate and pearls'?

what is plate???

i thought it meant silver plate but that wasnt around in our world untill 19th c. so maybe not.

Anyone know??

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 07:35 PM

In aFfC, after running from the Sept of Baelor because of Lord Tywin's decomposing state, Tommen is told b his uncle Jamie that there are many horrors in the world, and one way of dealing with them is to 'go away inside.' Tommen then states he used to do that when Joffy...
But is interrupted by Cersei and her sharp rebuke for calling him Joffy and shaming her.
My question is: was Joffery violent towards Tommen? Was there more? Do we perhaps see a Aeron-Euron rusty hinge 2.0 with this? Or does it simply mean Joffery's cruelty extended to his siblings too?

I'm sure he abused him. Whether it was sexual I don't think we can say.

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 07:36 PM

How did the direwolf that Robb and Jon found go south of the Wall?

'Round the Shadow Tower, no?

#17 mindchap

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 07:42 PM

How did the direwolf that Robb and Jon found go south of the Wall?

It's not impossible to get by the Wall just difficult to get by with large numbers.

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 08:42 PM

Who brought the common tongue to Westeros?

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 09:18 PM

Who brought the common tongue to Westeros?

The Andals.

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Posted 22 September 2013 - 12:30 AM

Is there a program for PC that lets me use colours and bolding etc. so i can do an OP on it and c & p into thread maker?