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Jaime Lannister claims 3 men could beat him...which three?


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So for clarification I'm pretty sure he only says this in the TV series but we can answer this question using the book as well, so for me in the TV series then the books...

TV Series: Ser Barristan - Jaime talks very highly of him all the time which much admiration
for his exploits
Gregor Clegane - He is brute strength and huge, virtually invincible in his armour
Ser Loras - I know I'm going to receive complaints over this one but in the TV
series he's made out to be the next Jaime in terms of skill.

Book: Ser Barristan - I think even in the books Jaime knows he may meet his match here
Garlan Tyrell - Loras himself admits Garlan is a better swordsman. Garlan as one of my chosen three is questionable because Garlan doesn't go boasting and seeking fame for his achievements so I wonder if Jaime actually knows how good he is (He was renly's ghost and killed Guyard Morrigen in single combat yet seeks no glory, but we know he is great)
Oberyn Martell - Again I'm doubtful as I don't know if the fighting prowess of the Red Viper is well known (he is infamous for poison) but he does have much fighting experience from the Disputed Lands so Jaime may be wary of a fight with this one too

On a final note...for my 3 from the book neither of the Cleganes are there because Jaime thinks to himself when fighting Brienne that with his skill and speed he could beat them. He probably hasn't heard of Darkstar so thats why he isn't there. Eddard Stark isn't as good in the books as he is made out to be on the TV series so he isn't here either. I reckon Jaime thinks he is better than skilled swordsman such as Lyn Corbray, Addam Marbrand, Bryce Caron, Thoros, Blackfish, Robar Royce, Loras Tyrell, Phillip Foote and Lothor Brune etc (the last two there he probably won't have heard of till post-blackwater anyway) so that is whyI haven't got them either. Thoughts?

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i think Loras could take him, with a portion of that reasoning being he is one of the best knights in the realm and the other being Jaime being overconfident going against him. It wasn't until AFFC where he thinks that maybe it wasn't just luck when Loras unhorsed him in tourney. He would surely underestimate him in a fight.

Then the Hound and the Mountain.

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:agree: (with Ser Arthur above) , although evidence suggests that he really aught to consider Lord Eddard Stark for fourth on his list, as he defeated the first two on that list (admittedly he did have help, we don't yet know how Howland Reed saved his life.) But then Ned wasn't even the best swordsman in House Stark, if he's talking about over his career thus far, Brandon Stark should easily have been able to beat Jaime.

And was this before or after he met Brienne?

You are right about Oberyn, any man who can bring The Mountain to a draw deserves consideration... My guess is that Jaime is being a typically smug git, and valuing his skills too highly.

I still reckon he could take The Hound or The Mountain though, and any of the Tyrell boys.

Edited for spelling and grammar and afterthoughts.

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He doesn't think they could beat him, the actual quote is (from tv series)

"There are three men in the kingdoms who might have a chance against me. You're not one of them."

I think they would be the Clegane brothers and the Greatjon

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He thinks of Greatjon and both of the Cleganes in the book when he's considering who people in "his league" are. Strongboar too, I forget who else, but we readers have more info so we can add Garlan Tyrell and Oberyn Martell to the list of contemporaneous warriors.

However, we have to remember that just because Jaime is the best in his generation, he's by no means unbeatable. If, for example, he wins 51 out of 100 swordfights against Sandor then he's still the best; but if you wanted to know the likely outcome of a battle between them, it's by no means a done deal

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From memory, in the books: The Greatjon, Robert and Sandor

I believe he said that those three were physically stronger than him. When Robert was in his prime it could have been possible for him to beat him though. I doubt the Greatjon could ever beat him.

The three that I think he could have meant

-Sandor Clegane

-Gregor Clegane

-Barristan Selmy. No one knew where he was but I don't think anyone suspected he would have been dead at this point, so I think it counts.

Other possible ones

Oberyn Martell (but I doubt Jaime would think that he'd lose to him)

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I believe he said that those three were physically stronger than him. When Robert was in his prime it could have been possible for him to beat him though. I doubt the Greatjon could ever beat him.

I am pretty sure he did mention the Greatjon, as it struck me when I first read it and made me realise how strong he was. I have not found the passage in the book yet, but reading some post above, I think he said/ thought something like " Only the Greatjon and both the Cleganes are stronger, Robert was the strongest in his prime, Arthur Dayne was stronger and then he reflects also about Strongboar being surely a match". And yes he was refering to physical strength as well as weapon ability: pure fighting abilty is a combination of both. Not sure about Selmy or the White Bull.

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I'm going with the Clegane brothers and Barristan. Also, I'm sure he meant it as those three being the only warriors he knows personally that may have a chance at beating him. I know Barristan is still a BAMF, but I think Jaime would have the edge in a fight between the two.

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