John Reyne Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 I have recently started thinking more about TWOW lately. I have some reservations about if GRRM will have enough room in this book to correctly set of the series for the final book. I did a simple breakdown of what I think the division on POVs could be. The division is by both event and then split even further into individual characters.The Wall and Beyond: 9- Bran: 4 - Melisandre: 3- Jon Snow: 2 (I believe he will be alive before the end of the book)Battle of Winterfell/Aftermath: 7- Theon: 4- Asha: 3Battle of Mereen/Aftermath: 15- Tyrion: 9- Victarion: 4- Barristan: 2Dothraki Sea: 10- Daenerys: 10Storms End: 7- Arianne: 5- Jon Connington: 2The Vale: 4- Sansa: 4Riverlands: 5- Jaime: 5King's Landing: 5- Cersei: 5Oldtown/The Reach: 4- Sam: 4Braavos: 4- Arya: 4Miscellaneous: 9- Davos: 4- Damphair: 3- Areo: 2All of these add up to 79 chapters, which would be the same amount at ASOS. These predictions don't account for any POV deaths, which there are certain to be a few. Also, they do not account for future overlapping of POVs. For example, I am fairly confident that Arianne/Jon Connington will meet up with other POVs in King's Landing or the Reach, which could lower the amount of POVs Cersei or Sam have.Also, having Jon Snow either dead or incapacitated for awhile will allow GRRM to advance the stories of all the other characters while moving the pieces for the end of the series. Jon has at least 8 chapters in every book that he is in, without the need to advance his story right now, some secondary POVs will get more chapters than they would have. Any thoughts on who or which setting deserves/will have more POV chapter coverage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javi Marcos Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 I'm sure Barristan will get more than 2 chapters. I more or less agree with the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miguel sanchez Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 This is a chapter division prediction I wrote up a few months ago, it's fairly similar to yours. The only POV you forgot was Brienne, but I don't think we'll get another Brienne pov anyways. This includes my death predictions, brackets means possible death and I predict 4 or 5 of the bracket-ed characters will die in winds.The winds of winter chapter predictionTyrion 11Daenerys 10Cersei 8 (die?)Jon Snow 8Arianne 6 (die?)Jaime 6 (die?)Asha 5 (die?)Sansa 4Arya 4Davos 4 (die?)Bran 3Victarion 3 (die?)Barristan 3 (die?)Theon 2 dieSamwell 2Aeron 2 (die?)Melisandre 2 (die?)Areo 1 dieBrienne 0 (die?)Jon Connington 0 dietotal 82 chapters + prologue & epiloge = 84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shk12344 Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 2 POVs for Jon Snow??? Probably the most important character in the whole series and only 2 POVs. Unlikely. One of the thing GRRM has said in interview is there will more events taking place North of the Wall in the Land of Always Winter, so I expect significant POVs from Jon. Probably as much as DWD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jentario Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 If GRRM really wants to finish the series in two books, I think we're going to need shorter chapters and more chapters. So let's give Davos, Jo or Mel at the Wall, Bran and Arya some slack. I do agree that Dany and Tyrion need to be the obvious bulk of the story if they're ever going to get to Westeros so that's a definite, but I really hope the main/original characters will start taking center stage.EDIT: I'd also like to have 1 or 2 Brienne chapters, even if she'll die early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jentario Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 2 POVs for Jon Snow??? Probably the most important character in the whole series and only 2 POVs. Unlikely. One of the thing GRRM has said in interview is there will more events taking place North of the Wall in the Land of Always Winter, so I expect significant POVs from Jon. Probably as much as DWD.Not as much as ADWD. He's kind of dead now, and a lot of people believe it's going to be a while before he's back on his feet. There are only so many Ghost/Jon-sitting-in-a-bed-and-moaning chapters one can take while two huge battles and more than enough other big moments (J&B meeting with Stoneheart, Aegon conquering, a thousand characters returning to Westeros, Sam finding out secrets in Oldtown, Cersei getting herself killed...) to make Jon's story take the backstage at least for the first half of the book. But he'll definitely have more than 2 chapters. At least 5 IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis the Menace Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Not as much as ADWD. He's kind of dead now, and a lot of people believe it's going to be a while before he's back on his feet. There are only so many Ghost/Jon-sitting-in-a-bed-and-moaning chapters one can take while two huge battles and more than enough other big moments (J&B meeting with Stoneheart, Aegon conquering, a thousand characters returning to Westeros, Sam finding out secrets in Oldtown, Cersei getting herself killed...) to make Jon's story take the backstage at least for the first half of the book. But he'll definitely have more than 2 chapters. At least 5 IMO.i agree with thisalso all the characters in Slaver's Bay are going to come together making it unnecessary to have so many separate chapters for tyrion, barristan, victarion, and even daenarys (i think she will be back sooner rather than later), and make that part of the book advance much faster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Tahu Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 If GRRM really wants to finish the series in two books, I think we're going to need shorter chapters and more chapters. :agree:One thing I noticed while reading the series is that by ADwD the chapters were, on average, much longer than they were at the start of the series. This really needs to change. And even if the chapter length returns to that of the early books I hold my doubts that he can finish in two books. My only hope is that after TWoW, as the series really starts to head towards its conclusion, GRRM's pace picks up to a rate similar to that of the earlier books (one every 2-2.5 years).As for my predictions, here is what I posted in another thread:Note: a * means that I think they could have less chapter, while a ^ means that I think they could have morePrologue - 1 (Storm's End Maester witnessing Aegon take the castle OR something at Highgarden with Euron)Daenerys - 10 (my theory is that her first 2-3 chapters will be among the Dothraki and will happen chronologically at the same time as Barristan's ADwD chapters, with the last of those chapters ending with her seeing Meereen in the distance just before the battle starts. She then returns at the end of the battle)Tyrion - 8 (I think he will spend a fair amount of the book with Daenerys, so the chapters will alternate between them)Cersei - 7^ (dies, but not necessarily in her own chapter)Arianne - 6^ (All indications are that she will step up and become a major PoV in TWoW)Jaime - 6* (dies)Asha - 5^Davos - 5Jon - 5^Sansa - 5^Theon - 5^Areo - 4^Arya - 4^Brandon - 4Samwell - 4Aeron - 3Barristan - 3 (dies. My theory is that we will get a third battle chapter from his perspective during which he is wounded, but sees the return of Daenerys before he faints. It is the reported in the first post-battle chapter that he has succumbed to his wounds)Melisandre - 3 (dies)Victarion - 3^Brienne - 2^ (honestly, I hope she just doesn't have any chapters at all)JonCon - 2^ (one before Arianne arrives and one after. We could also get an earlier one of them taking Storm's End if that isn't in the prologue, and possibly one later in the book. To those saying he will die soon: greyscale doesn't act that quickly)Total - 95. THERE WILL BE NO EPILOGUE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav2001c Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 I can't even imagine where some of these large numbers came fromThe other thing many seem to be overlooking is the fact that as books wind down there are more characters meeting, hence overlaps (eg there will be a Jaimie POV that also includes Brienne + Cat) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tf13 Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 There will be a bunch Jon chapters, but will we get a different title for one of "Jon's consciousness in Ghost" chapters, if there is such a thing? I think that could be neat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endymion I Targaryen Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 The POV encounters are a wildcard and will affect division of chapters.So I think it will be like this: Daenerys:10Tyrion:8Arya:7Arianne:5Sansa:5Theon:5Cersei:4Bran:4Barristan:4Jon:4Samwell:4Melisandre:3Davos:3Jaime:3Victarion:3Asha:2Brienne:2Aeron:2Areo:1Jon Connighton:1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GERM Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 I have recently started thinking more about TWOW lately. I have some reservations about if GRRM will have enough room in this book to correctly set of the series for the final book. I did a simple breakdown of what I think the division on POVs could be. The division is by both event and then split even further into individual characters.The Wall and Beyond: 9- Bran: 4- Melisandre: 3- Jon Snow: 2 (I believe he will be alive before the end of the book)Battle of Winterfell/Aftermath: 7- Theon: 4- Asha: 3Battle of Mereen/Aftermath: 15- Tyrion: 9- Victarion: 4- Barristan: 2Dothraki Sea: 10- Daenerys: 10Storms End: 7- Arianne: 5- Jon Connington: 2The Vale: 4- Sansa: 4Riverlands: 5- Jaime: 5King's Landing: 5- Cersei: 5Oldtown/The Reach: 4- Sam: 4Braavos: 4- Arya: 4Miscellaneous: 9- Davos: 4- Damphair: 3- Areo: 2All of these add up to 79 chapters, which would be the same amount at ASOS. These predictions don't account for any POV deaths, which there are certain to be a few. Also, they do not account for future overlapping of POVs. For example, I am fairly confident that Arianne/Jon Connington will meet up with other POVs in King's Landing or the Reach, which could lower the amount of POVs Cersei or Sam have.Also, having Jon Snow either dead or incapacitated for awhile will allow GRRM to advance the stories of all the other characters while moving the pieces for the end of the series. Jon has at least 8 chapters in every book that he is in, without the need to advance his story right now, some secondary POVs will get more chapters than they would have.Any thoughts on who or which setting deserves/will have more POV chapter coverage?Knowing Martin, it'll be 33 Miscellaneous, 20 will be Damphair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejhawman Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 I think Jon and Dany may have fewer chapters than usual, Dany mainly because there are other POVs to cover events in her vicinity. Jon - 6+Dany - 4+Barristan - 2-3, probable deathTyrion - 7+, covers most of Dany's activity after they meet upVictarion - 3+, probable deathCersei - 4+, survives for nowJaime - 2+, possible deathBrienne - 2+, possible death; if it's her-or-Jaime, one of them gets 4+, the other may not get any Arya - 3+Areo - 2+JonCon - 2+, may die in suicidal move on battlefield, instructs his forces to build him a pyre, reveals his greyscale Theon - 4+, possible deathDavos - 3+, covering Rickon's reentry to the storyAsha - 2+, may cover events at Castle Black after Queen's party, with Mel and Jon Snow, leaveMel - 1+, seems to be a minor POV, will survive for nowAeron/Euron: 1, touching base with IronbornSam - 2+Sansa - 3+Arianne - 2+, should separate from Areo to cover different pointsBran - 3+, offering information but not doing much activelypossible POV for Nymeria Sand, 2+, offering alternative view to Cersei in KL Not tied to a final chapter count, or prologue/epilogue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Et Cetera the Mouse Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Here's my version. A = means possible death. The only major change from the OP's list is a 3 chapter drop in Dany's POVs, because she'll be near Tyrion for most of the book and he's far more interesting. The Wall and Beyond: 9- Bran: 5 = Melisandre: 3- Jon Snow: 1 (Him as Ghost. Will be resurrected at end of book)Battle of Winterfell/Aftermath: 7- Theon: 5 (After the battle, he'll move to the wall, which will be lacking in POVs if Mel and Jon both die)= Asha: 2Battle of Mereen/Aftermath: 15- Tyrion: 9= Victarion: 4= Barristan: 2Dothraki Sea: 7- Daenerys: 7Storms End: 9- Arianne: 6= Jon Connington: 3The Vale: 4- Sansa: 4Riverlands: 7- Jaime: 5= Brienne: 2King's Landing: 6- Cersei: 6Oldtown/The Reach: 4- Sam: 4Braavos: 4- Arya: 4Miscellaneous: 11- Davos: 5= Damphair: 3- Areo: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iacopo Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 The Wall and Beyond: 12Bran: 10Melisandre: 5The North /Battle in the Snow: 10Theon: 5 Asha: 2Davos: 3Cutting the Mereenese Knot: 20Tyrion: 6Victarion: 4Barristan: 4Daenerys: 5End of the Storm: 12Arianne: 10Jon Connington: 2The Lady of the Vale (and possibly Harrenhal): 8Sansa: 8Riverlands: 1Jaime: 1 King's Landing: 3Cersei: 3Oldtown/The Reach: 8Sam: 6Damphair: 2 Dorne: 6Areo: 3Arys: 3Braavos and anywhere there's blood to spill: 5Arya: 5 Total: 85 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKingoftheSevenKingdoms Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 GRRM has confirmed that a lot of the book will focus around the North (the Wall and Stannis' campaign) and Essos in an interview recently. He also said Tyrion and Dany will only meet in the final third of the novel. He also said that the Dothraki will play an important role in the novel. Here is a link if you don't believe me:http://www.christiantoday.com/article/winds.of.winter.spoilers.release.date.wars.deaths.marriages.betrayals/38633.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sangiv Purplestar Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Daenerys 10 : 2-3 chapters among Dothraki,2-3 chapters in Meereen organising things and maybe cutting some @@@@@ off and then return to Westeros.Sansa 7 : after her absence in DWD she will play the game hopefully.Tyrion 7 : main POV in Meereen,he will try to stabilize Dany's army after the battle.Arianne 6 : 3 chapters until she meets Aegon and then become main Kings Landing POV after Cersei.Theon 6 :battle in Winterfell and then he goes to the WallArya 5 : train and then return to Westeros with Dany's army.Cersei 5 : 2 chapters for her trial and Margaery's , 1 when she regains some power in Kings Landing and 2 siege and fall of Kings Landing.Davos 5 : he finds Rickon and then goes to Winterfell with RickonJon 4 : wargs in Ghost,explores Lands beyond the Wall and then wakes up in his body.Jaime 4 : main POV in Riverlands.Barristan 4 : 3 chapters for the battle , 1 after he meets Tyrion and the others to show what happens inside Meereen.Bran 3 : he will see the past.Melisandre 2 : condition for the Wall.Sam 2 : he will again have limited presence and see the missing books from the CitadelVictarion 2 : 1 chapter before battle and 1 when Euron somehow kills him and takes the dragon he has tamed.Aeron 2 : finds out about how Balon died.Jon C. 2 : usefull for siege of Kings Landing from the outside of the cityAsha 1 : for siege of DreadfortAreo 1 : for what happened with Darkstar and generally Dorne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bran17 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 The way I think it should be: Daenerys/Sansa: 13Bran/Jaime/Cersei: 8Arya/Tyrion/Davos: 5Arianne/Theon/Melisandre/Samwell: 4Areo/Victarion/Barristan/Connington: 2Aeron: 1Jon/Asha/Brienne: 0 The way it's probably gonna be: Tyrion/Arya: 938(each) :bang:Daenerys/Sansa/Theon: 8Cersei: 6Jon/Arianne/Asha: 5Bran/Barristan/Victarion/Samwell: 4Jaime/Davos/Melisandre/Aeron/Connington: 3Brienne: 2Areo: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelborn Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 You can definitely say Tyrion will have +10 just because Martin wants, Daenerys will come close with 10 or 9, Arya needs to have a lot (unless her story in this book is all about training), Bran may well be given 4 or 5, 8 for Cersei sounds right . So, how do you think Jon Con's chapter will be named? It can't be "Jon", right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeppelincheetah Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 My cousin's ex-fiance's brother-in-law's dentist's high school buddy's step daughter's girlfriend's boyfriend's step mom's neighbor Parris Martin once got drunk and let slip over dinner: Dany: 7 chaptersTyrion: 7 chaptersCersei: 5 chapters (dies)Arya: 5 chaptersSansa: 5 chaptersTheon: 4 chaptersArianne: 4 chaptersBarriston: 4 chaptersBran: 3 chaptersDavos: 3 chaptersJamie: 3 chaptersMelisandre: 3 chaptersJon Connington: 3 chapters (dies)Asha: 2 chaptersVictarion: 1 chapter (dies)Jon: 1 chapter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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