Katerine459 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Overboard how? She is a messiah by definition My thoughts exactly. Daenerys is the "Prince that was promised." She's Azor Ahai reborn. There are many-millennia-old prophecies, that are centered around her. She gave birth to dragons that were extinct, in an unconscious ritual (that is, she wasn't aware that it was a ritual, she just knew it was something she had to do) that involved burning a king and herself in a bonfire that didn't burn her. The prophecies say that she will come and save the world. By definition, that makes her a messiah. That's what a messiah is... somebody who is prophesied to save the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StannisBamfatheon Posted October 4, 2013 Author Share Posted October 4, 2013 My thoughts exactly. Daenerys is the "Prince that was promised." She's Azor Ahai reborn. There are many-millennia-old prophecies, that are centered around her. She gave birth to dragons that were extinct, in an unconscious ritual (that is, she wasn't aware that it was a ritual, she just knew it was something she had to do) that involved burning a king and herself in a bonfire that didn't burn her. The prophecies say that she will come and save the world. By definition, that makes her a messiah. That's what a messiah is... somebody who is prophesied to save the world. Oh boy. Now you've done it. I've only read the books twice so I might have missed it but where exactly does it say SHE is Azor Ahai? We don't even know if that means an actual person, or is a metaphor, or is even true! You cannot take that to mean she's the messiah its an incredible leap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 My thoughts exactly. Daenerys is the "Prince that was promised." She's Azor Ahai reborn. There are many-millennia-old prophecies, that are centered around her. She gave birth to dragons that were extinct, in an unconscious ritual (that is, she wasn't aware that it was a ritual, she just knew it was something she had to do) that involved burning a king and herself in a bonfire that didn't burn her. The prophecies say that she will come and save the world. By definition, that makes her a messiah. That's what a messiah is... somebody who is prophesied to save the world. That's assuming she actually is the fulfillment of these prophecies and not a giant red herring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaarioKnowsBest Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 A messiah is a savior or liberator of a group of people. Dany has done this, she is a messiah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasta11 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Overboard how? She is a messiah by definition I'm sure the city she sacked, the people she tortured, those fighting her regime and those she executed arbitrarily praised her to no ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StannisBamfatheon Posted October 4, 2013 Author Share Posted October 4, 2013 I'm sure the city she sacked, the people she tortured, those fighting her regime and those she executed arbitrarily praised her to no ends. Yeah like the boy, whose mother was raped and father murdered by slaves and Dany offered him no justice cause they were slaves during the sack. Reaaaaaaaaaaally great justice there, WHAT a savior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katerine459 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Here's what we know about Azor Ahai's return, according to Melisandre: When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons out of stone. End quote. Also according to Melisandre, awaking the dragons requires burning a king. Every part of this prophecy... not only can it be interpreted to apply to Dany, it actually literally applies to Dany. She was born amidst smoke and salt and woke dragons out of stone. While the comet burned overhead. In a fire where a king was burning. Literally. Some of this, I could pin to coincidence, but not the "waking dragons out of stone while the red star bleeds" part. That's a little too big to be a coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaarioKnowsBest Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 I'm sure the city she sacked, the people she tortured, those fighting her regime and those she executed arbitrarily praised her to no ends.Doesn't matter if she killed all the babies and beat up grandmothers, she still is a messiah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Here's what we know about Azor Ahai's return, according to Melisandre: End quote. Also according to Melisandre, awaking the dragons requires burning a king. Every part of this prophecy... not only can it be interpreted to apply to Dany, it actually literally applies to Dany. She was born amidst smoke and salt and woke dragons out of stone. While the comet burned overhead. In a fire where a king was burning. Literally. Some of this, I could pin to coincidence, but not the "waking dragons out of stone while the red star bleeds" part. That's a little too big to be a coincidence. I'm not saying it's a coincidence, I'm saying she's a red herring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Visenya Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 In short, she's bitter, due to an unfortunate magical curse she has been left infertile.It's like the Essos equivalent of someone who regrets not getting married and gets loads of cats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhymes with Weak Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 If Dany is the messiah than I'll stick with Satan, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Visenya Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 My thoughts exactly. Daenerys is the "Prince that was promised." She's Azor Ahai reborn. There are many-millennia-old prophecies, that are centered around her. She gave birth to dragons that were extinct, in an unconscious ritual (that is, she wasn't aware that it was a ritual, she just knew it was something she had to do) that involved burning a king and herself in a bonfire that didn't burn her. The prophecies say that she will come and save the world. By definition, that makes her a messiah. That's what a messiah is... somebody who is prophesied to save the world. Wait, does this mean someone gets to stab her through the heart?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StannisBamfatheon Posted October 4, 2013 Author Share Posted October 4, 2013 Wait, does this mean someone gets to stab her through the heart?. Fingers crossed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 In short, she's bitter, due to an unfortunate magical curse she has been left infertile. It's like the Essos equivalent of someone who regrets not getting married and gets loads of cats. If Dany is the messiah than I'll stick with Satan, thank you. Pack it up, everyone. Show's over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StannisBamfatheon Posted October 4, 2013 Author Share Posted October 4, 2013 Pack it up, everyone. Show's over. I'll give you my keycard apple. Don't even need to read winds of winter anymore I'll take up crocheting or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tormund's beard Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 daenerys is pretty much a conquistador (the spanish kind) "freeing" people on paper (all the "indians" were "free" """"people"""" by spanish law) but still forcing her customs, and morals upon them and then liying to herself to cope with the horrors she plunged those people into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yolkboy Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Here's what we know about Azor Ahai's return, according to Melisandre: End quote. Also according to Melisandre, awaking the dragons requires burning a king. Every part of this prophecy... not only can it be interpreted to apply to Dany, it actually literally applies to Dany. She was born amidst smoke and salt and woke dragons out of stone. While the comet burned overhead. In a fire where a king was burning. Literally. Some of this, I could pin to coincidence, but not the "waking dragons out of stone while the red star bleeds" part. That's a little too big to be a coincidence."when darkness gathers" - I think we'll actually see AA being reborn, it's too curial a moment, covered by many prophesies and riddles - to have happened off page. Grrm uses red herrings often, eg there's a character called Gerrick Kingsblood. The darkness from the quote is surely the arrival of the Others, and Mel also mentions AA reborn in the 'dread hour' IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angalin Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Sometimes the board takes itself waaaaaaaaay too seriously, you need a throw-away joke thread or a chum thread such as this one that gets people riled up. Really. At no point did he say he was a troll, he said he wanted a lighthearted less serious then other threads thread. Really. This thread feels like an attempt to start a Dany-hate thread, apparently it succeded. http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01505/mission-accomplish_1505293i.jpg Usually I save this quote for the depths of February: bored now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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