Spartan64Destiny Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 After viewing many of these forums, a lot of people are saying Jon is still going to be part of The Nights Watch forever. When Bowen Marsh and his brothers stabbed him in various places including the back middle area of his chest. I'm assuming Jon suffered death from a sharp dagger in his heart and if this is so, death will release him of his commitments and vows to The Nights Watch. In order to for Jon to fulfill his destiny as AAR, PTWP or become KOTN, this event had to take place.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 That technicality has been mentioned before, and IMO, Jon will not get out of his vows just because of the technicality... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jory Cassel Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Jon is not one to jump at such a cheap technicality. eta: :ninja: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arya kiddin' Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 And so it begins... http://i.imgur.com/9FHS6.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arya kiddin' Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 That technicality has been mentioned before, and IMO, Jon will not get out of his vows just because of the technicality... Wow someone else agrees. A little sense just returned to the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Eric Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I've never heard that theory before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost's Shadow Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 It's KitN. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 If Jon's death gets him out of his Night's Watch vows then shouldn't it also void his inheritance claims in how dead men cannot rule lordships? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arya kiddin' Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 If Jon's death gets him out of his Night's Watch vows then shouldn't it also void his inheritance claims in how dead men cannot rule lordships? hahaha. Bingo! That will get all the Jon fans sweating. :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikkel Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 If Jon's death gets him out of his Night's Watch vows then shouldn't it also void his inheritance claims in how dead men cannot rule lordships? Hah, true that! I never liked the "I'm alive but technically I was dead for a while" theories to get Jon out of his vows. Does this mean if a man of the watch suffers a heart attack, but is resuscitated by Westeros-style CPR they're out, too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roose The Weddingcrasher Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Actually, if you read the vow, there is no implication that death would free you from your commitment to the Watch, since the wording is, that you are bound forever, regardless of death or undeath. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all nights to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arya kiddin' Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Actually, if you read the vow, there is no implication that death would free you from your commitment to the Watch, since the wording is, that you are bound forever, regardless of death or undeath. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all nights to come. Yes because it has been anticipated. :D "Once they figure a way to work a dead horse, we'll be next. Likely I'll be the first too. 'Edd,' they'll say, 'dying's no excuse for laying down no more, so get on up and take this spear, you've got first watch tonight.' Well, I shouldn't be so gloomy. Might be I'll die before they work it out." So spoke Dolorous Edd the Wise. Being dead doesn't excuse you from the vows. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 "For this night, and all nights to come" this means forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Northman Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Might makes right in this case. And Jon learnt Quorin Halfhand's lesson well - his honor means nothing compared to saving the Realm. If he has the swords to back his claim to the North, and the lords supporting him, who is going to tell him otherwise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arya kiddin' Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Might makes right in this case. And Jon learnt Quorin Halfhand's lesson well - his honor means nothing compared to saving the Realm. If he has the swords to back his claim to the North, and the lords supporting him, who is going to tell him otherwise? The Old Gods. The Wall and the old gods have magic, and the vows made in front of the old gods are magical too. Or else how would you explain the weirwood gate at Nightfort? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I do believe that Jon will be a King in the end but he will be free from his vows because the NW will cease to exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I do believe that Jon will be a King in the end but he will be free from his vows because the NW will cease to exist.That is really the only way it should happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jongtu Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I kind of always assumed that Jon would not leave the NW other than the wall collapsing and the threat of the others finally gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the Free Folk Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Actually, if you read the vow, there is no implication that death would free you from your commitment to the Watch, since the wording is, that you are bound forever, regardless of death or undeath. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all nights to come. 'Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death.'And when a Sworn Brother dies, they say: 'And now his watch has ended.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Eater Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I do believe that Jon will be a King in the end but he will be free from his vows because the NW will cease to exist. I agree with this idea. When the Wall falls the NW will cease to exist like the Pharisees and Sadducees after the destruction of the Temple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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