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NFL- Week Six: How High A Spread at Mile HIgh


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#1 Rockroi

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 10:27 AM

(Starting a new thread as the ;last one has reached 21 pages; hopefully a mod will lock the last one)

 

Just filed to ESPN that Gronk won't play again and teammates can't reconcile what he does in practice with inability to go on game day.

 

 

There is so much going on with this story at every level.   

 

First, Gronk has been practicing and he looks great – teammates, coaches and the media all say he looks 100% healthy.   He has separation, speed, agility, taking hits etc. 

 

The problem is that he won’t play.  The information is that an independent medical examiner – Dr. Andrews – has not cleared Gronk to play.  And from what I can gather that “Independent medical expert” is not required for Gronk to return; that Gronk and “people close to him” put Andrews AND a second doctor- Dr. Jesse Jupiter – in the mix, needing clearance from BOTH of these doctors before Gronk can play.

 

And “people close to Gronk” is a euphemism for Gronk’s father who is leading this.  Apparently, Daddy Gronk is angry that Gronk was cleared to play too early from LAST year’s injury.  So they want to “take it slow.”  And while I get that… if you look 100% what are you waiting for?  How many players playing in the NFL this Sunday are 100%?  I bet its something like 10%.  If you are waiting to feel “perfect” then you could wait forever.  And so long as there is an excuse to be made, clever people will find ways to avoid their duty (which is easy for me to say). 

 

There are a few other wrinkles, both obvious and head-scratching:

 

-Getting back to Gronk’s father, his motivation is that he does not trust the Pats’ medical staff.  Ooookkkkkayyyy…. Well… if you don’t trust the Pats’ medical staff… why are you letting him practice?  Supposedly it’s the Pats’ medical staff that cleared him to practice… if you don’t trust them, then why are you listening to them?

 

-Ron Borges, the forever-Pats-hating Boston columnist (how I really like and respect), stated that he has not heard ONE SINGLE PLAYER complain about Gronk.  He says that the selected quotes coming out of Pats’ camp are all coming from the Pats’ organization to try to force Gronk to play. 

 

-We THEN have to deal with the whole reason Gronk may not be 100%.  Andrews- and I don’t know of this was one the record or “sources close to Andrews…” –stated that the reason this has taken so long is because of the infection in his forearm which may undermine the stability of the arm forever.  Okay, that’s bad.  But why not antibiotics?  Well, turns out they DID use antibiotics, but they did not take.  Why? Well, one reason could be Gronk’s horrible lifestyle, including his drinking.  Well, alcohol blunts and counters the effectiveness of antibiotics . So, in other words, Gronk may be more responsible than is being reported for his injury time. 

 

-One overriding aspect of this case is Gronk’s 2015 contract extension.  While that may seem far away, its not.  All of Gronk’s 2013 season is paid for – I’m not sure if its all guaranteed, but it’s a lot of money and NONE of it is incentive-based.  That’s not true for 2014 where much of it is incentive based.  AND 2015 is the big year- if Gronk has a poor 2014- and if he’s constantly hurt that’s a distinct possibility- then the Pats may not pick up the option.  Not only does that make his contract situation uncertain, it eliminates all that guaranteed money under the extension – about $15 million. 

 

-Oh, and then there is the whole PUP thing.  Its week 6 and Gronk is not playing (most likely).  That means the earliest he could play is week 7, and that’s ONE week LESS than had the Pats put him on the PUP.  That means Gronk and his daddy just cheated the Pats out of a roster spot.  Not that that would have helped or anything … right?

 

I am of two minds on the subject. 

 

Pro Gronk: The Pats’ cannot complain when a player acts like the Patriots against the Patriots.  If he is doing what’s best FOR HIM then the Pats don’t have much to complain about.  Also, just how much will Gronk help? Do the Pats have ANY shot to beat New Orleans?  And moreover, if this is a long term issue… who cares if the Pats lose to the NFC?  They would need to implode to lose the AFC East.  So what’s the rush?

 

Anti-Gronk: In 2012 we learned that Logan Mankins- the Pats all-pro guard –played the VAST majority of 2011 with a torn ACL (fuck.me.).  Guys play hurt; they play with horrible injuries.  And they play hurt in contract years and they play hurt when guaranteed money is about to go “bu-bye.”  They will tell you from opening day onward NOBODY plays at 100%.  And so, a big, goofy white guy and his father are saying he’s not 100%?  How much does it take to “not be cleared” by TWO Independent medical examiners? 

 

Really? 


Edited by Rockroi, 13 October 2013 - 10:28 AM.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 11:03 AM

I'm off to the Seahawks game today. I've never been to an NFL game and currently watched a grand total of two full games on the tele.

This will be interesting. I hear I'm in for quite the experience.

Edited by Alex., 13 October 2013 - 11:03 AM.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 11:05 AM

The whole Gronk situation makes me a little sick.



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Posted 13 October 2013 - 11:07 AM

The Gronk situation probably is effected by this whole concussion issue. I know different injuries, but I don't think teams can afford to be seen pressuring guys to get on the field with this concussion issue looming right now

Edited by DaarioKnowsBest, 13 October 2013 - 11:07 AM.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 11:26 AM

I'm off to the Seahawks game today. I've never been to an NFL game and currently watched a grand total of two full games on the tele.

This will be interesting. I hear I'm in for quite the experience.

Wear some earmuffs. Construction-grade earmuffs should do. Seriously I was at the game against the 49ers and it was deafening, even during an ordinary play.

Eta: HOLY SHIT the spread in the Denver game is 27.5?? It's expected, but still pretty jaw dropping when you see it.

Edited by Hector Salamanca, 13 October 2013 - 11:30 AM.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 11:34 AM

I'm off to the Seahawks game today. I've never been to an NFL game and currently watched a grand total of two full games on the tele.

This will be interesting. I hear I'm in for quite the experience.

 

Never been to a Seattle game (in seattle), but I'd wager you're going to have a great time.



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Posted 13 October 2013 - 11:48 AM

I've heard about the noise. Think I'm ready for this.

Definitely getting a foam finger.

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 11:54 AM

Schaub: Verb, the act of throwing a football that is in turn intercepted and returned by the opposing team for an touchdown. Synonym: Pick-six.  Use in a sentence: "Matt, I can't believe the way you're Schaubing all over the field. That's the fourth time you've Schaub'ed in four games!"



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Posted 13 October 2013 - 12:00 PM

The Gronk situation probably is effected by this whole concussion issue. I know different injuries, but I don't think teams can afford to be seen pressuring guys to get on the field with this concussion issue looming right now 

 

No question.  There is no way players or especially coaches (to say nothing of management) can put any pressure on a player coming back from an injury (regardless of concussion or not).  At the same time, I don't think Gronk's slowness to return is motivated by the concussion policy nor do I think the doctors are motivated by it.  I think they are all just "playing it safe."

 

The question is whether or not you think to but the word "too" in there.  



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Posted 13 October 2013 - 12:17 PM

A.J. Hawk just got his first "elite" sack of the season for the Packers.



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Posted 13 October 2013 - 12:39 PM

I think I just saw Tashard Choice in this game, I'm concerned.



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Posted 13 October 2013 - 12:40 PM

I think I just saw Tashard Choice in this game, I'm concerned.


Don't be. We can't stop the run. Doesn't matter who it is. Our defense disappeared.

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 12:43 PM

Sucks that there aren't any early games I care about, so I've ended up watching the Steelers-Jets and Packers-Ravens games. Fortunately, they're both pretty good so far.

 

And if the Jets D keeps playing like this, I might go back to being a part-time Jets fan. I love Rexy's defense when it's on.



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Posted 13 October 2013 - 12:44 PM

I didn't realize that there was that much drama in the Gronk situation.  Very interesting. 

 

 

JerMichael Finley has a nice drop already lest anyone think he's fixed his dropsies.  So does Nelson. 



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Posted 13 October 2013 - 12:46 PM

That was a pretty good goal-line stand, there Mex. We should've run the boot on 3rd, and tried to bounce Jackson outside on one of the first two.



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Posted 13 October 2013 - 12:58 PM

It friggin figures that the week I finally decide to bench Andy Dalton he busts out with TD passes. Sigh

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 01:00 PM

Ben Roethlisberger gets hit as he releases the ball and appears to have sustained some type of shoulder/rib/unknown injury. Phil Simms: "Oh, that's close to being a penalty (on Couples), because you're not supposed to put your weight down on the QB when he goes to the ground!"

 

What!?! What is the defender supposed to do, hit the biggest QB in the league and just flop away? Shut up, Simms, shut UP!



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Posted 13 October 2013 - 01:00 PM

Terrelle Pryor is a keeper. He is playing great @ Arrowhead.

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 01:02 PM

Jets offense was looking good at the start (even though it only got 3 points) but these past few drives have looked pretty awful.



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Posted 13 October 2013 - 01:02 PM

Is Joe Flacco the new king of the checkdown?





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