Strongest House which is not LP ?

[Erkan12]

From the beginning of AGOT.

North - Bolton, Umber, Manderly, Karstark

Riverlands - Mallister, Frey, Blackwood

Reach - Tarly, Rowan, Redwyne, Hightower

Westerlands - i think there are no prominent house after the Reyne incident

Vale - Royce

Dorne - Dayne, Yronwood

Stormlands - Penrose

Iron Islands - Harlaw

My choices ;

1-) Redwyne of Arbor

2-) Manderly of White Harbor

3-) Mallister of Seagard

[Sansa_Stark]

You are missing Hightower.

They are said to be as rich as the Lannisters(hyperbole probably but still) and can field 3x as many(possibly more) men than any other Reach bannerman.

They are probably the strongest.

And House Yronwood is the strongest Dornish secondary house.

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I'd say the Hightowers and maybe the Redwynes are the strongest secondary houses overall. The first family controls Oldtown and the Citadel, the second has its own navy and both are extremely wealthy.

[Jon's Queen Consort]

Iron Isles: Harlaw

Dorne: Yronwood

[N/A]

I'd say the Hightowers and maybe the Redwynes are the strongest secondary houses overall. The first family controls Oldtown and the Citadel, the second has its own navy and both are extremely wealthy.

:agree: but i'd throw in Royce into the mix

[FCOS]

Yronwoods of Dorne.

[Arthur Dayne's Honor]

I'd say the Hightowers and maybe the Redwynes are the strongest secondary houses overall. The first family controls Oldtown and the Citadel, the second has its own navy and both are extremely wealthy.

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[Faint]

House Hightower . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . every other secondary house.

[Petyr Patter]

Hightower is almost certainly first on the list, only the family is incredibly conservative by nature. They exist to defend Oldtown and the Citadel. Power not exercised is not really power at all.

At this point, we almost have to include House Frey. They control the Twins, already one of the wealthier and powerful seats in Westeros, and Riverrun, the traditional seat for the Lord Paramounts. They also have a bevy of strong allies on paper: The Crown, the Lannisters, the Boltons. Yet, they are not Lord Paramounts, Petyr Baelish is.

[bpsae325]

As of right now, I'd have to say Yronwood and Royce, as they have been kept out of the WO5K and have their levies intact, whereas the other houses have been depleted by the WO5K.

[Iron-born]

I agree on the Hightowers, Yronwoods and Royces, but moving forward I think the Hardyings will rise because of Petyr and the Redwynes will go down because of the Ironborn attacks.

[Ser Greg of House House]

1. Hightower

2. Redwyne

[Good King Daemon]

Definitely the Hightowers

[Slender Aimry Hill]

for Stormlands: not Penrose!

Would be a chilled out Marcher house, almost certainly Caron (the Lords of the Marches, who Stannis was despairing at not attracting to his side) but also possibly Swann (who backed all sides with impunity)

[Señor de la Tormenta]

for Stormlands: not Penrose!

Would be a chilled out Marcher house, almost certainly Caron (the Lords of the Marches, who Stannis was despairing at not attracting to his side) but also possibly Swann (who backed all sides with impunity)

well Storm Lords did married estermonts, that should be a sign of power, but then you see their Iland and is far smaller than tarth.

[Slender Aimry Hill]

Who the ruling Lord Paramount marries isn't that good a sign of who their strongest vassal is; a ) they can't exactly marry their runner-up every generation, b ) the Freys, clearly the Tullys' closest rivals, are actively avoided as marital prospects. For Stormlands, I'd still go with Caron/maybe Swann

[Fat Mac]

The Hightowers are uber powerful. By themselves they probably rival some of the Great Houses

By region

North- Manderly, Bolton, Karstark

Riverlands- Frey, Mallister

Vale- Royce, Grafton(?)

Westerlands- Marbrand, Crakehall, Lannisters of LP (?)

Reach- Hightower, Redwyne

Dorne- Yronwood

Stormlands- Caron, Dondarrion, Swann

Iron Islands- Harlaw

[assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar]

I think part of why you see so many powerful families in the Reach — not just the Hightowers and Redwynes but also the Florents, Tarlys, Rowan, Fossoways, Oakhearts, etc. is because the Tyrells never had to subjugate the Reach using pure force of arms. At one time, the Lannisters, Starks, Arryns and Martells had to overpower their regional rivals militarily, and maintain that military superiority, in order to stay top dog. But the Tyrells were plopped on top of the pile and perhaps artificially held there by the Targaryens when they invaded, for really no other reason than because they left the door unlocked for Aegon.

Same sort of thing in the Riverlands; the Tullys were elevated above the other houses when the ironborn were flushed out, but they never had to defeat the Brackens, Blackwoods, Freys, etc. in battle.

[MasterJack]

I think part of why you see so many powerful families in the Reach — not just the Hightowers and Redwynes but also the Florents, Tarlys, Rowan, Fossoways, Oakhearts, etc. is because the Tyrells never had to subjugate the Reach using pure force of arms. At one time, the Lannisters, Starks, Arryns and Martells had to overpower their regional rivals militarily, and maintain that military superiority, in order to stay top dog. But the Tyrells were plopped on top of the pile and perhaps artificially held there by the Targaryens when they invaded, for really no other reason than because they left the door unlocked for Aegon.

Same sort of thing in the Riverlands; the Tullys were elevated above the other houses when the ironborn were flushed out, but they never had to defeat the Brackens, Blackwoods, Freys, etc. in battle.

Good lands/weather and being rarely an important warring zone helped a lot too.

[Arya kiddin']

North - Boltons

Reach - Hightowers, Redwynes

Dorne - Yronwoods

Riverlands - Freys

Westerlands - Crakehall (??)

Stormlands - none I think

Vale - Royces

Iron Isles - Harlaw