Does Dany have prophetic dreams?

[Little Balerion]

A recurring theme in this books are Targaryens and their ability to have prophetic dreams.

There was Daenys the Dreamer who had prophetic dreams about the Doom of Valyria due to which the her family fled Valyria to Dragonstone. There is Maester Aemon who seems to have some kind of prophetic dreams too. And Daeron Targaryen and Daemon Blackfyre II are both known to have dreamt prophetic dreams.

But could Dany's dreams about dragons be considered as prophetic dreams too or are they just dragon dreams. Because there have been some people such as

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Teora Toland,

Tyrion Lannister who have dreamt of dragons. And I don't think either of these two have Targaryen blood in them.

Could prophetic dreams be different from dragon dreams?

[MoIaF]

It was Daenys the Dreamer who had the prophetic dream about the Doom.

I think it depends with Dany, but I imagine in a way some of her dreams are prophetic. I think we just haven't seen the end result of some of them yet.

There is the Army of Ice dream:

That night she dreamt that she was Rhaegar, riding to the Trident. But she was mounted on a dragon, not a horse. When she saw the Usurper's rebel host across the river they were armored all in ice, but she bathed them in dragonfire and they melted away like dew and turned the Trident into a torrent. Some small part of her knew that she was dreaming, but another part exulted. This is how it was meant to be. The other was a nightmare, and I have only now awakened.

This is probably a prophetic dream of her fighting Stannis.

[Consigliere]

I think that dragon dreams are prophetic dreams that certain Targs are capable of having, Dany being one of them. Also think there is a difference between dragon dreams and dreaming about dragons.

[Little Balerion]

It was Daenys the Dreamer who had the prophetic dream about the Doom.

Thanks. I was wondering whether it was Daenys. But then I saw it listed as Daenerys the dreamer on this post. Corrected it.

[MoIaF]

I think that dragon dreams are prophetic dreams that certain Targs are capable of having, Dany being one of them. Also think there is a difference between dragon dreams and dreaming about dragons.

I think so too. The dragon dreams I think have to do with the Song of Fire (and partly the bonding for those who got dragons).

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There was only her and the dragon. Its scales were black as night, wet and slick with blood. Her blood, Dany sensed. Its eyes were pools of molten magma, and when it opened its mouth, the flame came roaring out in a hot jet. She could hear it singing to her. She opened her arms to the fire, embraced it, let it swallow her whole, let it cleanse her cleanse her and temper her and scour her clean. She could feel her flesh sear and blacken and slough away, could feel her blood boil and turn to steam, and yet there was no pain. She felt strong and new and fierce.

Thanks. I was wondering whether it was Daenys. But then I saw it listed as Daenerys the dreamer on this post. Corrected it.

Yeah, Targ names get confusing. Especially when they seem so similar.

[Ser Greg of House House]

Maybe. I've always had the impression that it was pretty, pretty rare. [D&E The Mystery Knight Spoilers]:

But then Bloodraven talks as if it was a common thing... At least that was the impression it gave me

[oursisthefury69]

Im beginning to think more and more that the targs might not be prophetic in all of these instances, and that some of it Is from people with glass candles per what marwyn said to sam about the candles being used to enter mens dreams.

[Ser Greg of House House]

Im beginning to think more and more that the targs might not be prophetic in all of these instances, and that some of it Is from people with glass candles per what marwyn said to sam about the candles being used to enter mens dreams.

That's interesting. Inception-like agents would be manipulating these Targs (and possibly other dreamers) to make them do what they want. Is that it?

[TheMysteriousOne]

I think that they have prophetic dreams. Daenys the Dreamer prophesied the Doom, etc.

[assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar]

Yes, I think she does. What it is she's actually seeing is more up to debate, as is whether she can proactively harness what she sees by interpreting it and making use of it. I think Jon also has such dreams. They really seem like the one tangible repeatable "gift" the Valyrians actually seem to have.

I don't think Tyrion dreaming of dragons is the same thing. I always took those dreams to be the way a girl would dream of a pony. We've also had Tyrion's POV and I can't recall him ever having a dream that could be called prophetic.

As for the Toland girl, the Targaryens married into House Martell. All it takes is one descendant of the first Daenerys to marry into House Toland, and there's your prophetic dream potential.

[mindchap]

I think that the elements(Fire, Ice, Water, etc) are all just different facets of the same magic, the way that the seven are seven facets of one god. I personally think that dragon dreams are just prophetic dreams(had by Targs) and given Dany's connection to fire and dragons they are probably real. Tyrion on the other hand has always been fascinated by dragons which could account for dreaming about them, I mean that's what he's reading about in the very first book.

[Pickman's Model]

In addition to the dreams already mentioned, Dany has a dream that seems to be about having sex with Euron during ADwD. I'm away from my books, but perhaps someone else recalls it?

ETA: I believe the dream mentions a cold lover with blue lips.

[mindchap]

In addition to the dreams already mentioned, Dany has a dream that seems to be about having sex with Euron during ADwD. I'm away from my books, but perhaps someone else recalls it?

ETA: I believe the dream mentions a cold lover with blue lips.

This one?

That night her cooks roasted her a kid with dates and carrots, but Dany could only eat a bite of it. The prospect of wrestling with Meereen once

more left her feeling weary. Sleep came hard, even when Daario came back, so drunk that he could hardly stand. Beneath her coverlets she tossed

and turned, dreaming that Hizdahr was kissing her … but his lips were blue and bruised, and when he thrust himself inside her, his manhood was

cold as ice. She sat up with her hair disheveled and the bedclothes atangle.

She found herself remembering her nightmare. Sometimes there is truth in dreams. Could Hizdahr zo Loraq be working for the warlocks, was

that what the dream had meant? Could the dream have been a sending? Were the gods telling her to put Hizdahr aside and wed this Dornish

prince instead? Something tickled at her memory. “Ser Barristan, what are the arms of House Martell?”

[assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar]

In addition to the dreams already mentioned, Dany has a dream that seems to be about having sex with Euron during ADwD. I'm away from my books, but perhaps someone else recalls it?

... but his lips were blue and bruised, and when he thrust himself inside her, his manhood was cold as ice.

Implies Euron because of the blue lips, but it also implies that the guy in question might be a corpse.

However, I'd be remiss if I didn't give a nod to Fire Eater.

"You were cold as ice, and your lips were were blue."

That's Haldon talking about Tyrion after he went over the boat.

[oursisthefury69]

I don't think Tyrion dreaming of dragons is the same thing. I always took those dreams to be the way a girl would dream of a pony. We've also had Tyrion's POV and I can't recall him ever having a dream that could be called prophetic.

As for the Toland girl, the Targaryens married into House Martell. All it takes is one descendant of the first Daenerys to marry into House Toland, and there's your prophetic dream potential.

will you change your mind on that is theres a battle in the next book the closely enough resembles the dream tyrion has in dance with barristan and bitteresteel (golden company) and ik there's more elements to it as well but those seem like something that could happen with barristan representing danys army and bittersteel aegons

[oursisthefury69]

That's interesting. Inception-like agents would be manipulating these Targs (and possibly other dreamers) to make them do what they want. Is that it?

I mean its possible I wouldn't want to necessarily say that, but if the FM or another group did truly cause the Doom of Valyria then perhaps this same group could possess glass candles? Most of the dreams of targs seem to lead to there own personal demise for the most part

[Ser Leftwich]

... but his lips were blue and bruised, and when he thrust himself inside her, his manhood was cold as ice.

This was not a foreshadowing of Hizdahr dying?

[Ser Greg of House House]

I mean its possible I wouldn't want to necessarily say that, but if the FM or another group did truly cause the Doom of Valyria then perhaps this same group could possess glass candles? Most of the dreams of targs seem to lead to there own personal demise for the most part

I was not being sarcastic, I'm sorry if it appeared like that because of the Inception thing. I guess it's clear prophetic dreams exist, but some of them could be 'forged' like that.

This one?

What really pops out is that Dany doesn't know the arms of House Martell. How the hell will she rule Westeros? :ack:

[Ser Greg of House House]

This was not a foreshadowing of Hizdahr dying?

Yeah. That's how I read it. Though Dany's interpretation of the Warlocks also make sense. Now, why would Hizdahr cold and with blue lips mean Euron I don't really understand. There's the blue lips, yeah, but so do anyone who uses too much shade of the evening. If there was one eye missing...

[Pickman's Model]

@Mindchap: Yes, that's the one! Thanks for posting it.

This was not a foreshadowing of Hizdahr dying?

That is also a good idea. My speculation about it referring to Euron rather than Hizdahr (as Dany believes) is based on an interpretation of the HotU prophecy that the part "A corpse stood at the prow of a ship, eyes bright in his dead face, grey lips smiling sadly" refers to a Greyjoy. The corpse imagery and focus on the lips is similar in both passages and I believe that Dany's ADwD dream occurs not far from a prophecy Moqorro makes about a one-eyed monster in a sea of blood who is a great threat to her. I hear many pots cracking around me as I type this, but I think this dream is significant and wanted to point it out as possibly prophetic (which I guess it still would be even if the Euron theory is nonsense and it actually foreshadows Hizdahr's death).

ETA: Minor spelling corrections.