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Jon Snow's Vocabulary


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#1 Buckthorn

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 12:02 AM

So I've been re-reading ASOS for the past 3 weeks and re-reads are great in my opinion, but it always makes me uncomfortable when I read a certain quote or scene that strikes me as out of place. In my case it is a certain word that Jon Snow uses in the Raiding of Castle Black by Styr Magnar of Thenn and during the Battle of Castle Black, the word is Whoreson. In the previous two novels I do not recall GRRM writing any Jon chapters where Jon uses such language, nor are we given any indication. Don't misinterpret my observation though, I only find it odd and funny to picture Jon Snow using such a word, I could picture a Sellsword like Bronn having the word Whoreson in his vocalbulary, but not Jon. So now I am curious as to whether Jon's contempt for Wildlings was so great that it would warrant him to call Styr a Whoreson. What do you guys think?
PS: I accidentally posted an unfinished version of this one, sorry.

Edited by mrbombpop9, 08 November 2013 - 12:03 AM.


#2 Arthur Dayne's Honor

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 12:09 AM

What Part of "You kniw nothing Jon Snow." Don't you understand. He obviously has a sucky vocabulary.

#3 Arya is Awesome

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 12:14 AM

I would think that Jon spent most of his life with highborn children and would have a very good vocabulary.

 

However, he has spent the last months/years training with lowborn "scum" sent to the Wall, and then with wildlings.  It is very common to pick up the vernacular used by people around you to better fit in. I think he just picked up bad habits from his companions.  Not to mention in the heat of battle I am sure a few curse words would be fitting.

 

Then when he becomes Commander, he returns to more refined comments.



#4 James Arryn

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 12:32 AM

Yeah, I spend ten minutes in here with you moth%**%*%%, and I'm @&$*¥+#ing talking like €£^^}++^^^¥er, and I don't even €%%+*¥+£ing know what #^*+'jul means!

#5 mindchap

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 12:44 AM

Testosterone can make us do strange things. :)



#6 Lyse Stark

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 12:45 AM

Exactly. If Jon Snow spends his time around scum like thieves, murderers and whores, he'll pick up some underworld slang from them.

#7 Buckthorn

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 12:50 AM

The other reason I've mentioned this subject is that I am currently playing "The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings" on XBOX 360 and the word Whoreson is used a lot in the video game, it is really funny.

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 03:32 AM

Thats Wildling influence for you.

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 03:36 AM

I would dare say that is an improvement. At least he can speak directly what he feels and thinks, better than playing a mummer farce.


Edited by Patroclo Picchiaduro, 08 November 2013 - 03:36 AM.


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Posted 08 November 2013 - 01:00 PM

He would have probably used whoreson a lot more if he didn't suspect he was one himself... :P



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 01:22 PM

Thats Wildling influence for you.

But do they "even" know prostitution? I mean, it' not institutionalized beyond the Wall, is it? So do they actually curse like that? I have forgotten. 
 


Edited by Roose The Weddingcrasher, 08 November 2013 - 01:24 PM.


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Posted 08 November 2013 - 01:33 PM

What Part of "You kniw nothing Jon Snow." Don't you understand. He obviously has a sucky vocabulary.

 

Yup. ;)



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 02:23 PM

He would have probably used whoreson a lot more if he didn't suspect he was one himself... :P

Heh!  :lol:



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 02:32 PM

But do they "even" know prostitution? I mean, it' not institutionalized beyond the Wall, is it? So do they actually curse like that? I have forgotten. 
 


Im not so sure myself to be honest. You could be right.

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 02:32 PM

DP

Edited by TalalOfDorne, 08 November 2013 - 02:33 PM.


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Posted 08 November 2013 - 02:33 PM

He would have probably used whoreson a lot more if he didn't suspect he was one himself... :P

 

That's gonna hurt. :lmao:



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Posted 09 November 2013 - 04:16 AM

He would have probably used whoreson a lot more if he didn't suspect he was one himself... :P


What's with the hate?

#18 Ser Humfrey

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 04:31 AM

What's with the hate?



Agreed all the character hate these days makes me sick. I feel like I'm back in high-school and every one is spewing negatives at each other like monkeys throwing shit at each other. It kind of turns me off this forum.

#19 Iona

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 05:00 AM

What's with the hate?

 

Whoa, if there's hate, it's not coming from me! Just a lighthearted jest based on the fact that we know Jon feels he's a bastard, perhaps mothered by some camp follower, and was quite prickly about it.



#20 ugashep

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 06:34 AM

But do they "even" know prostitution? I mean, it' not institutionalized beyond the Wall, is it? So do they actually curse like that? I have forgotten. 
 

I don't think there is any society in our own world that has not had prostitutes, that's why its called "the world's oldest profession", I think it's the same in GRRM's world.