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What if the boar ran away and Robert learned the truth?


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#1 LordPathera

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 02:35 AM

Let's think about this.

 

Cercei knew that Jon Arryn and Ned Stark were investigating the true parentage of her children and eventually discovered that she screwed her twin brother behind King Robert's back. So shortly before Ned confronted her, she came up with the idea of convincing her cousin (whom she's also be screwing) to give Robert a strong wine so that he'll be killed while hunting.

 

What if the boar didn't kill Robert?

 

What if it had ran away or missed and Robert wasn't mortally wounded? What was Cercei's plan then? It appears as though Cercei's plan relied on Robert dying so that she could secure Joffrey's place on the throne (With convenient and timely help from Baelish). But if King Robert doesn't die, then she's stuck in place.

 

So lets say that Robert comes back from his hunt, pissed about missing a prize boar and unaware of his wife's clumsy plan to kill him. Then his noble and honorable Foster brother and Hand of the King, a man who has never been untrue or lied, informs him that his kids are born from incest based on strong evidence from genealogical books, Cercei's own confession to Ned, and how Robert's bastards are the splitting image of his youth yet his own children look nothing like him.

 

What would he do to Cercei and the children? That's kind of obvious though there's a chance that Ned would persuade him otherwise. For instance, allow Joffrey to still inherit Casterly Rock since he's heir to Lannister lands.

 

Who would succeed him in place of Joffrey? Would he inform Stannis that he is the true heir or legitimize one of his bastards like Edric or Gendry?

 

How would he deal with the rest of the Lannisters? Does he kill Jamie and strip Tywin of all lands and join the Crown's forces to those of Tully and Stark?

 

What would Baelish do to ensure that chaos still stirs? Secretly poison Robert amidst his attempts to regain control of his court? Implicate the Barratheons against the Starks?



#2 Fire Eater

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 02:43 AM

Cersei would have been screwed, but then again she is screwed now with the way things are going as of ADwD.


Edited by Fire Eater, 08 November 2013 - 02:44 AM.


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Posted 08 November 2013 - 03:01 AM

Cercei, seeing her impending doom, would never have let Robert get back to King's Landing. The boar certainly helped make it look like an accident, but she wouldn't flinch about having a less accidental-seeming death if her neck were on the line.



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 03:08 AM

If robert got back, Cersei and Jamie would have been dead within the hour, Ned stark, Renly and all there close advisors and men would have captured or killed the remaining lannisters in the city and killed all loyalsts and then Robert would have called for tywin to come to the capital, for the acts of a treasonous family.

 

Joffery would have been killed and Mrycella and Tommen fostered by stannis, ned stark etc. 

 

And if tywin called his banners he would have the Vale, Highgarden, the storm lands, the riverlands and the north to fight and wouldnt last more then a year, costing the remaining lannisters their lives 


Edited by Ours if the Fury, 08 November 2013 - 03:10 AM.


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Posted 08 November 2013 - 03:11 AM

A lot of good men and women would be alive.

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 03:34 AM

Cersei would presumably have made another attempt to kill him. Failing that, I imagine she'd deny everything.

If Robert was convinced however, I'm sure he'd have beaten her to death, and had Jaime and the children executed.

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 03:36 AM

Well, according to Varys, there were other ways that Cersei had to kill Robert.

 

I'm not so certain this is all that true. I mean, why entrust so many people to kill him than Lancel?



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 03:43 AM

If robert got back, Cersei and Jamie would have been dead within the hour, Ned stark, Renly and all there close advisors and men would have captured or killed the remaining lannisters in the city and killed all loyalsts and then Robert would have called for tywin to come to the capital, for the acts of a treasonous family.

 

Joffery would have been killed and Mrycella and Tommen fostered by stannis, ned stark etc. 

 

And if tywin called his banners he would have the Vale, Highgarden, the storm lands, the riverlands and the north to fight and wouldnt last more then a year, costing the remaining lannisters their lives 

 

Why would only Joffrey die and not Tommen and Myrcella? He may be a dick but he had nothing to do with the Twincest (besides being born from it)



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 03:46 AM

Joff is a monster, Tommen and Myrcella at most might be a bit spoiled but nothing horrible considering they are "royalty."



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 03:52 AM

Joff is a monster, Tommen and Myrcella at most might be a bit spoiled but nothing horrible considering they are "royalty."


I doubt if Robert would differentiate. He'd view all three of them as abominations.

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 03:52 AM

Joff is a monster, Tommen and Myrcella at most might be a bit spoiled but nothing horrible considering they are "royalty."

 

Being nice doesn't get you off punishments. If Joffrey was executed because he was born of incest, Tommen and Myrcella would be as well. And if Tommen and Myrcella aren't killed for being born of incest, Joffrey won't be. Joffrey also hadn't done anything worth of a death sentence before Robert died.



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 03:55 AM

The story would be over by now and this forum would not exist. (probably)



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 03:55 AM

Fair enough.

 

But Robert didn't order Dany or Viserys dead for years until the Drogo marriage...

 

I'm not sure he would just order them dead.

 

Jaime and Cersei, yes. But the kids?

 

Not so certain.



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 04:14 AM

  • Cersei and Jaime would be executed.
  • Their bastard children would be stripped of all titles, and Robert would send them back to Casterly Rock or somewhere else where they'd be out of sight.
  • Tywin Lannister would be outraged, but he wouldn't be able to do anything about it, since all of the other Great Houses would be united under Robert.
  • Gregor Clegane and the rest of the Westermen "outlaws" raiding the Riverlands would be defeated by Robert's forces.
  • Renly's plan to broker a marriage between Robert and Margaery Tyrell would probably succeed, and Robert would eventually sire a trueborn heir.
  • The Seven Kingdoms of Westeros would remain at peace.
  • As a result, Westeros would be in a much better position to deal with the approaching threat of the Others.


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Posted 08 November 2013 - 04:44 AM

 

  • Cersei and Jaime would be executed.
  • Their bastard children would be stripped of all titles, and Robert would send them back to Casterly Rock or somewhere else where they'd be out of sight.
  • Tywin Lannister would be outraged, but he wouldn't be able to do anything about it, since all of the other Great Houses would be united under Robert.
  • Gregor Clegane and the rest of the Westermen "outlaws" raiding the Riverlands would be defeated by Robert's forces.
  • Renly's plan to broker a marriage between Robert and Margaery Tyrell would probably succeed, and Robert would eventually sire a trueborn heir.
  • The Seven Kingdoms of Westeros would remain at peace.
  • As a result, Westeros would be in a much better position to deal with the approaching threat of the Others.

 

 

:agree:  Not even sure the offspring would have survived outside of a dungeon. Alive they are a rallying point and a threat. But that's resally a minor issue.



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 05:35 AM

 

 

 

If robert got back, Cersei and Jamie would have been dead within the hour, Ned stark, Renly and all there close advisors and men would have captured or killed the remaining lannisters in the city and killed all loyalsts and then Robert would have called for tywin to come to the capital, for the acts of a treasonous family.

 

Joffery would have been killed and Mrycella and Tommen fostered by stannis, ned stark etc.

 

And if tywin called his banners he would have the Vale, Highgarden, the storm lands, the riverlands and the north to fight and wouldnt last more then a year, costing the remaining lannisters their lives 

 

 

I somehow very much doubt that Stannis would foster an abomination.


Edited by Breastplate Nipples, 08 November 2013 - 05:36 AM.


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Posted 08 November 2013 - 05:55 AM

Cersei would have tried to put Net into a bad light, saying evil things on his regard. Robert would have not suffered it and hit her hard.

 

Then, who knows? Robert's reign still needed Lannisters' support to go on. He has gone with too many whores to play the victim, the just being betrayed.

 

He would have probably asked for Jamie Lannister to be judged by a trial, but I don't see him executing Cersei nor his own fake children. Sending her back to CR would have been stupid, she could play the hostage part in KL, but in the spirit of Robert's character. Who knows? Maybe he has known all along, and tried to drunk this knowledge into wine since a long time. IMHO he would have done perfectly nothing relevant, except boasting. 



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 06:04 AM

I don't see why Lannister support is so essential for Robert.

 

I mean, if the Targs came back, then what of it?

 

Do they think they are are going to be spared by Viserys/Dany who still remember Aerys and Aegon/Rhaenys?



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 06:17 AM

Let's think about this.

 

Cercei knew that Jon Arryn and Ned Stark were investigating the true parentage of her children and eventually discovered that she screwed her twin brother behind King Robert's back. So shortly before Ned confronted her, she came up with the idea of convincing her cousin (whom she's also be screwing) to give Robert a strong wine so that he'll be killed while hunting.

 

What if the boar didn't kill Robert?

 

What if it had ran away or missed and Robert wasn't mortally wounded? What was Cercei's plan then? It appears as though Cercei's plan relied on Robert dying so that she could secure Joffrey's place on the throne (With convenient and timely help from Baelish). But if King Robert doesn't die, then she's stuck in place.

 

So lets say that Robert comes back from his hunt, pissed about missing a prize boar and unaware of his wife's clumsy plan to kill him. Then his noble and honorable Foster brother and Hand of the King, a man who has never been untrue or lied, informs him that his kids are born from incest based on strong evidence from genealogical books, Cercei's own confession to Ned, and how Robert's bastards are the splitting image of his youth yet his own children look nothing like him.

 

What would he do to Cercei and the children? That's kind of obvious though there's a chance that Ned would persuade him otherwise. For instance, allow Joffrey to still inherit Casterly Rock since he's heir to Lannister lands.

 

Who would succeed him in place of Joffrey? Would he inform Stannis that he is the true heir or legitimize one of his bastards like Edric or Gendry?

 

How would he deal with the rest of the Lannisters? Does he kill Jamie and strip Tywin of all lands and join the Crown's forces to those of Tully and Stark?

 

What would Baelish do to ensure that chaos still stirs? Secretly poison Robert amidst his attempts to regain control of his court? Implicate the Barratheons against the Starks?

 

At least according to Ned, it is clear, that Robert would have executed Cersei, Jaime (they both had committed high treason when they passed off Cersei's bastards as Robert's trueborn kids) and probably even Joffrey, Myrcella and Tommen.

Ned might have been able to convince him to let the children live, but I do not think so, since

- these children would have been a threat to any possible trueborn Baratheon (noone can be 100% sure, that they are really not Roberts)

-the faith probably would have wanted them dead as well, since they were products of incest

-Robert would have been really, really angry about having been cuckolded and would have seen the continued existence of the children as a slight on his honour

(Ned might have been able to convince Robert to make a septa out of Myrcella and send Joffrey and Tommen to the Watch or to the Citadel, but I do not think this likely)

 

Robert probably would have married Margaery Tyrell then, since

-the Tyrells wanted Margaery to become queen

-the Tyrells were the second wealthies family in the kingdom

-they had the biggest army

-Renly and Loras were already plotting to do this before the truth came out

 

I do not know, how Tywin would have reacted to all of this. During the books he seemed to have completely denied the truth of Joffrey's parentage, so he probably would have believed his daughter the victim of some slander. I do not know, whether he would have gone to war, since he basically had no allies in Westeros and he would not have been able to win a war against the Crownlands, Stormlands, Riverlands, North, Vale and the Reach with only sellswords.



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 06:18 AM

If robert got back, Cersei and Jamie would have been dead within the hour, Ned stark, Renly and all there close advisors and men would have captured or killed the remaining lannisters in the city and killed all loyalsts and then Robert would have called for tywin to come to the capital, for the acts of a treasonous family.
 
Joffery would have been killed and Mrycella and Tommen fostered by stannis, ned stark etc. 
 
And if tywin called his banners he would have the Vale, Highgarden, the storm lands, the riverlands and the north to fight and wouldnt last more then a year, costing the remaining lannisters their lives


This, minus the part where one bastard gets killed and the others fostered. I'd say both boys would be sent to the Wall, Myrcella would go to the Silent Sisters.