Let's Get Kraken

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  1. Just think, this time next year we could all be reading about how some teacher in South Kansabama popped one of their students for pulling a suspicious looking stapler out of a backpack.
  2. If you happen to need a beta reader...
  3. New thread up.
  4. That's the thing, I'm such a bumpkin about scotch I feel like it would be wasted on me.
  5. So I've been petulantly avoiding this thread out of pure pique over not being allowed to make a weed thread, but now I find myself in need of counsel. What does one who does not drink do with a $250 bottle of scotch that they got for a birthday present?
  6. I was commenting on partisan loyalty with regard to voting trends, not on lifestyle/beliefs. Sorry for not making that more clear.
  7. Pedophiles are attracted to prebuescent children, so in that case it would be a young child. If it were a teenager that could be described as a "young woman" then I think you're right, many would try to spin it ala Roy Moore. Though I would hardly use Alabama as an accurate sample of the entire country.
  8. Oh I agree, that would never happen. At least, barring some significant bombshell that changes the odds like a pee tape surfacing (making it more likely) or another major terrorist attack happening on U.S. soil (making it much, much less likely). They would have to run as a Libertarian (which I could see Flake doing), or pull a Teddy Roosevelt and start a new party just for the purpose of challenging Trump.
  9. Fair enough, a little bit of hyperbole on my part. But a Republican candidate walking away with only 60% of the Mormon vote is pretty significant, especially when the margins were as close as they were in 2016, and especially when there was a Supreme Court vacancy on the table. And the Mormons look at Mitt Romney and his father the way that Catholics looked at JFK. There's a lot of distrust of the government and this sense that they really won't be accepted in this country until one of their own is President. Probably yeah, but I think Romney would be more likely to run.
  10. If Romney pulled a Teddy Roosevelt I think he'd have the best chance of siphoning off a significant portion of the Republican base. Now that the Supreme Court seat has been filled I think a lot of evangelicals would jump ship for a nice, boring, pro-life robot like Mitt Romney. Centrists and middle-left people might kinda sorta like Kasich, but 2020 is not going to be a centrist fight. If you're a Republican and you wanna break Trump's base, IMO you need to go after evangelicals. And remember, say what you want about Mormons, they were the one evangelical group that dropped Trump like the radioactive hot potato that he is on election day.
  11. They don't have to win. If one of them runs chances are good it will split the base and pave the way for the Democrat.
  12. Mitt Romney running for Senate, Ben Sasse visiting Iowa, Jeff Flake branding himself #RepublicanClassic. Long odds, I know, but what do we think the chances are one of these guys actually challenges Trump in 2020? It has happened before, and Mitt Romney really wants to be President...
  13. "When they go low, we go local." I like the sound of that.
  14. Seven save us, when Fox News stoops to honesty (or an approximation thereof) you know things are getting bad.
  15. I'm not gonna argue in circles with you about how we should treat Republicans anymore, but you need to stop miscontextualizing the things that I say. I was very specific in the post that you quoted in that I was referring to a post-Trump America in which Democrats have gained control, but still have tens of millions of angry Trump voters to deal with. It's obviously got to be a very different strategy while we're still campaigning.
  16. Drugs.
  17. A focus on education is a good place to start if we want to eventually bring part of Trump's base into the fold. There's a reason that people like Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders scare the shit out of Republicans. They know that if we had free--or at least more affordable--college then a lot of their base would jump ship. Same reason Breitbart (whose influence we should not just wave off btw) pushes the idea that colleges are liberal indoctrination camps. I think Democrats have a very good chance of taking the kind of control that Republicans currently, uh, enjoy. Trump and Bannon seem to have given liberals their own Tea Party.
  18. To tell the truth, I'm getting a bit weary of this discussion. @Kalbear you are an excellent debater, and I agree with about 90% of what you say. Defending Republicans, or even appearing to, is not the issue that I want to go to the mats with you over. I'll just end this with what I began it on. The Russians' goal in the election hacking was to divide us. It's something they've been doing for years before Trump even announced his official candidacy. I think you're absolutely right, the GOP created the swamp that Trump rose from, and they have nobody to blame but themselves for our current situation. We have every right to be angry, to want them gone, to want their supporters gone. But the levels of polarization in this country make me very uneasy, and I don't know that "fire and fury and force" is going to make things better. If Democrats take control in the midterms and then in 2020, we cannot treat the opposition with the same gleeful scorn that they have shown us over the past year. It might feel good, but it's just going to turn Washington into a pendulum.
  19. I said that if we react with scorn to Republican representatives that stand up to Trump and Break away from their base, we provide no incentive for others to do so, because nobody wants to be in no-man's-land. You said: "Blame" indicates a certain moral responsibility that I in no way said or implied that liberalism carries for the existence of right-wing reactionaries. I'll never stop calling out racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia, etc. I think it's important to draw attention to systemic racism as well, and the relationship that it has to the "fiscal conservatism" that Republicans loved to tout before the alt-right hijacked the party. I just think it's possible to do this while also acknowledging that there are differences in degree when we talk about these things.
  20. So you thought I was blaming Trump's rise to power on actions Democrats have taken since he's come to power? That doesn't make sense. I've explicitly stated in other posts that liberals ARE NOT to blame for the reactionary backlash, that it's on Conservative media for mischaracterizing our push for civil rights, among other things.
  21. I'm really getting tired of people in this fucking thread mischaracterizing what I say as being supportive of the rank and file GOP. I have said several times that I do not support what the Republican party stands for, and that neither should anyone with liberal values, and that thethe and their propogandists at Fox news are responsible for the position that our country is now in. I say we "need" them not because I think they should be running the country, but because, as I have repeated several times now, their voters are not going away. There are tens of millions of very politically active people on this country that will go to their graves thinking that Democrats are the devil and that they will bring our country to ruin. I would rather have these people vote in sane people who are wrong about some things than neo nazis. I also think I made it abundantly clear that liberals are NOT responsible for the reactionary backlash to our ideals, so the next person who wants to bark at me about this can go ahead and shove it up their ass, because that's not what I'm saying.
  22. No, aside from that being an extremely poor historical example to use, there is no direct parallel there. If anything, the GOP looks much more like the Nazis did in the early 1930s, which rose to power on the reactionary surge to an extremely polarizing center left. The same type of surge that Trump rode in on. (Not that I'm blaming the left for Trump btw. That all goes back to Fox News.) I'll say it again. The alt right, Trump's base, they're not going anywhere. Win or lose 2020, we have to live with these people. Idk about you, but I'd rather have their votes go to John McCain than to Richard Spencer. I disagree with both, I'll even go so far as to say they're both unacceptable, but they are not moral equivolents.
  23. @Kalbear "They, they, they." You know man, this is the same thing Bush said after 9/11. Remember the speeches about how we'd make no distinction between countries that harbored terrorists, and terrorists? It was real hardass shit, made us all feel so righteous. People ate it right up, and he had historically record setting approval ratings. The thing is, by classifying anyone with extremist sympathies as extremists, we essentially made more extremists. I'm not saying compromise our values. Not for a second, and not by one fucking inch. But there is a difference between defending your own values, and dehumanizing your enemy for their opposition. You're conflating partisan values with loyalty to the country. I disagree with the tax cuts and with the GOP pillaging so many of the gains that progressivism made under Obama. But let's not pretend that the tax cuts in the same league as defending neo-nazis, calling Kim Jong Un "Rocket Man," colluding with Russian spies, calling for political opponents to be jailed, etc. I'm not a Republican. What organization, Fox News or Congress? The Freedom Caucus guys or all the ones about to lose their seats? The GOP is a chaotic cluster fuck right now and you know it. There is no "organization."
  24. It's Putin's brush, not yours. And "divine ruler" is an extreme over exaggeration. My impression is more that they consider him a convenient rube who will sign whatever they put in front of him as long as they pay him a certain degree of lip service. And btw, if we keep chewing up Republicans like Flake and Spicer who do turn on Trump, and write them all off as nazis, then it's just going to drive them further into the far right. And we need these people. Because if every Republican who doesn't like Trump either resigns, or publicly calls him out and loses their seat (because let's be honest, Democrats will never embrace people like Jeff Flake), then we really will see a Republican party made up entirely of the alt-right and southern evangelicals.