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  1. Brienne and Beric based on what? Brienne is Mormont equivalent won a tourney they shouldn't have, competent but not exceptional You are missing Darry and Whent and Rhaegar which are the obvious 3 from the rebellion
  2. No not that one Aegon IV had a son Dearon II, questions about his parentage were rumoured to have been started by his own father that he was infact the product of adultery between his wife and brother. Deamon Blackfrye (named after the sword) was the warrior himself, Deamons prowess in battle and Dearons shortcomings in that field was seen by many as proof that he was not Aegons legitimate son, but Aemons. Dearon of course went on to sire two fine warriors in the hammer and the anvil, not that fighting ability is necessarily hereditary (look at Meakers diverse sons for example) My issue with this proof is that Dearon can't be Aegons issue since he is not marital enough, therefore he can only be the son of the greatest knight of all time Aemon the dragonknight!!! Thoughts?
  3. . I had more pressing concerns. Ned Stark's van was rushing south from the Trident, and I feared it might come to swords between us. And it was in Aerys to murder Jaime, with no more cause than spite. That was the thing Ifeared most. That, and what Jaime himself might do
  4. The war had raged for close to a year. Lords great and small had flocked to Robert's banners; others had remained loyal to Targaryen. The mighty Lannisters of Casterly Rock, the Wardens of the West, had remained aloof from the struggle, ignoring calls to arms from both rebels and royalists. Aerys Targaryen must have thought that his gods had answered his prayers when Lord Tywin Lannister appeared before the gates of King's Landing with an army twelve thousand strong, professing loyalty. So the mad king had ordered his last mad act. He had opened his city to the lions at the gate. Pycelle's breathing was rapid and shallow. "All I did, I did for House Lannister." A sheen of sweat covered the broad dome of the old man's brow, and wisps of white hair clung to his wrinkled skin. "Always . . . for years . . . your lord father, ask him, I was ever his true servant . . . 'twas I who bid Aerysopen his gates . . ." My Sworn Brothers were all away, you see, but Aerys liked to keep me close. I was my father's son, so he did not trust me. He wanted me where Varys could watch me, day and night. So I heard it all." He remembered how Rossart's eyes would shine when he unrolled his maps to show where the substance must be placed. Garigus and Belis were the same. "Rhaegar met Robert on the Trident, and you know what happened there. When the word reached court, Aerys packed the queen off to Dragonstone with Prince Viserys. Princess Elia would have gone as well, but he forbade it. Somehow he had gotten it in his head that Prince Lewyn must have betrayed Rhaegar on the Trident, but he thought he could keep Dorne loyal so long as he kept Elia and Aegon by his side. The traitors want my city, I heard him tell Rossart, but I'll give them naught but ashes. Let Robert be king over charred bones and cooked meat. The Targaryens never bury their dead, they burn them. Aerys meant to have the greatest funeral pyre of them all. Though if truth be told, I do not believe he truly expected to die. Like Aerion Brightfire before him, Aerys thought the fire would transform him . . . that he would rise again, reborn as a dragon, and turn all his enemies to ash. "Ned Stark was racing south with Robert's van, but my father's forces reached the city first. Pycelle convinced the king that his Warden of the West had come to defend him, so he opened the gates. The one time he should have heeded Varys, and he ignored him. My father had held back from the war, brooding on all the wrongs Aerys had done him and determined that House Lannister should be on the winning side. The Trident decided him. "It fell to me to hold the Red Keep, but I knew we were lost. I sent to Aerys asking his leave to make terms. My man came back with a royal command. 'Bring me your father's head, if you are no traitor.' Aerys would have no yielding. Lord Rossart was with him, my messenger said. I knew what that meant. Does not sound that there is any hidden pact at all just plain old staying out of it from both Frey and Lannister
  5. No matter,” Lord Tywin said. “Frey only takes the field when the scent of victory is in the air, and all he smells now is ruin. Late again,” Catelyn murmured when she heard. It was the Trident all over, damn the man. Her brother Edmure had called the banners; by rights, Lord Frey should have gone to join the Tully host at Riverrun, yet here he sat. “Four thousand men,” Robb repeated, more perplexed than angry. “Lord Frey cannot hope to fight the Lannisters by himself. Surely, he means to join his power to ours.” “Does he?” Catelyn asked. She had ridden forward to join Robb and Robett Glover, his companion of the day. The vanguard spread out behind them, a slow-moving forest of lances and banners and spears. “I wonder. Expect nothing of Walder Frey, and you will never be surprised.” “He’s your father’s bannerman.” “Some men take their oaths more seriously than others, Robb. And Lord Walder was always friendlier with Casterly Rock than my father would have liked. One of his sons is wed to Tywin Lannister’s sister. That means little of itself, to be sure. Lord Walder has sired a great many children over the years, and they must needs marry someone. Still …” “Do you think he means to betray us to the Lannisters, my lady?” Robett Glover asked gravely. Catelyn sighed. “If truth be told, I doubt even Lord Frey knows what Lord Frey intends to do. He has an old man’s caution and a young man’s ambition, and has never lacked for cunning.”
  6. Confused! how about New lifting the sige of stormsend gos off to find Lyanna and comes back with a baby and a corpse, concidering Rhaegar raped her half a hundered times, nobody thinks to ask if the baby is hers and if not where and when did he father the child; concidering he has been north of KL for the entire war and returns from the south with a new born (Ashara maybe but when did they concive? )
  7. Ned Stark kept his vows. He thought of the promises he’d made Lyanna as she lay dying, and the price he’d paid to keep them. This seems to support the flower argument, flowers can be costly items and Ned thinks back on the 15 years of spending he accumulated and for what? Now he loves in KL he no longer keeps the promise he made to his sister that he will never let the flowers on her grave turn "dead and black"
  8. Found it , and a bold man to wield it.” Ned did not feign surprise; Robert’s hatred of the Targaryens was a madness in him. He remembered the angry words they had exchanged when Tywin Lannister had presented Robert with the corpses of Rhaegar’s wife and children as a token of fealty. Ned had named that murder; Robert called it war. When he had protested that the young prince and princess were no more than babes, his new-made king had replied, “I see no babes. Only dragonspawn.” Not even Jon Arryn had been able to calm that storm. Eddard Stark had ridden out that very day in a cold rage, to fight the last battles of the war alone in the south. It had taken another death to reconcile them; Lyanna’s death, and the grief they had shared over her passing.
  9. What did Ned promise? I was with her when she died,” Ned reminded the king. “She wanted to come home, to rest beside Brandon and Father.” He could hear her still at times. Promise me, she had cried, in a room that smelled of blood and roses. Promise me, Ned. But the promise has not been kept, did he promise to bury her in the Sept of Baelor or maybe a hill overlooking Stormsend? Ned remembered the way she had smiled then, how tightly her fingers had clutched his as she gave up her hold on life, the rose petals spilling from her palm, dead and black.... “I bring her flowers when I can,” he said. “Lyanna was … fond of flowers.” Was it a botanical promise to water her flowers or place blue roses on her grave? There is a pause between was and fond; possibly indicating the grief he felt from neglecting his promise? “The Others take your honor!” Robert swore. “What did any Targaryen ever know of honor? Go down into your crypt and ask Lyanna about the dragon’s honor!” “You avenged Lyanna at the Trident,” Ned said, halting beside the king. Promise me, Ned, she had whispered. This follows Robert killing Rhaegar if the promise is not kept and involved Rhaegar being killed, did Lyanna want Jon the baby born of rape killed by her true love Robert? The clues are scattered in the books and we need to join the dots but I think we can put this mystery to bed, so what did she make Ned promise?
  10. And house Frey and nominally the backing of the iron throne although this has diminished significantly with Tywins passing, and almost seen as irrelevant by most of the north now. The other problem for the Stark loyalist is there are no Starks so the question is who rules once Bolton is deposed? A question likley to lead to further civil war in the north. To compound matters Stannis has invaded the north a southern king with souther ambition who will not be welcomed by many (except those few lords that stand to gain) as he brings more death in his wake/quest for the iron throne
  11. So if little fingers calls his banners the riverlands will respond? I Would say the were either Lannister (fear) or Tully (heart) for the most part. Little fingers hold on the vale is tennius at best, sure he is lots paramount of the riverlands but that title has been granted by the Lannisters and enforced by them . Iron born should have large stretches of the reach too concidering the control much of the rivers and castles along the coast
  12. What was Rob doing with his banner men south of the Neck before he when to war? The rebellion started when Jon Arryn calls his banners he does this only when Ned and Robert's head are called for. I do believe even with all the deaths to lords war could have been avoided as a grand council of high lords would be very likley to want Rhaegar to depose of his father asap. Everyone had seen the Mad King for themselves now he's going around killing nobility
  13. So Rhllor has done some heavy shot so is a god. Old gods doing some heavy shit but just greenseers. Don't follow your logic, Bran looks like he is going to have demi/god like powers but he is just a greenser, we have no expenation on how the followers of Rhllor get theirs but he is confirmed as well as the great other
  14. You keep saying somehow somewhere someone. Tywin stayed out of the war and jumped on board the winning team. He would have willingly been Rhaegars hand but Rhaegar was dead, he has an opportunity to get rid of the mad king and took it. When he joined team Robert Lyanna should have been queen. He could not know that his daughter would have been the next queen. No he did not plan to kill both Ella or Lyanna Robert's relief was palpable. As stupid as he was, even he knew that Rhaegar's children had to die if his throne was ever to be secure. Yet he saw himself as a hero, and heroes do not kill children." His father shrugged. "I grant you, it was done too brutally. Elia need not have been harmed at all, that was sheer folly. By herself she was nohing." No master plan to kill either of them just "We had come late to Robert's cause. It was necessary to demonstrate our loyalty. "
  15. Yes you are missing what started the rebellion. Tywin and Rhaegar plotting to get rid of the king was likley as was the involvment of other great lords. But Tywin toiling had almost nothing to do with staring the rebellion, down to Rhaehar/lyanna Brandons reaction and finally Aerys response. Tywin involved with Lyanna no proof at all Jaime laughed. "Do you think the noble Lord of Winterfell wanted to hear my feeble explanations? Such an honorable man. He only had to look at me to judge me guilty." Jaime lurched to his feet, the water running cold down his chest. "By what right does the wolf judge the lion? By what right? Jaime killed the king he swore to protect, Tywin sacked the city even after its gates where opened and he kills the children all things that would make Ned hate them but Robert and Jon reward them by keeping Jaime as a KG and Tywin with finally geting the marriage for his daughter. Not sure how you get Tywin to intercept Rhaegar somehow somewhere a civil war is going on Tywin is not going to go marching randomly through other people's lands