Lady Dyanna

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  1. Yep. My mind keeps going to the Vale, but I can't seem to make it fit. Although the pink marble of the Water Gardens is oddly reminiscent of the white and blue marble in the throne room in the Eyrie. The strange thing with that, is that when @Sly Wren and I were going through the Sansa Chapter where Lysa gets pushed out of the Moon Door, there was something to it that was oddly reminiscent of Starfall. I feel like their descriptions and their apparel should be giving us a clue, but each of them sends me to people who I wouldn't necessarily think of as being related. Nymeria calls to mind Ashara for me with the purple and cream, and Tyene Lyanna with the blue. The embroidery also calls Sansa to mind for me. I'm not getting much of a handle on Obara at all though. Although the more I think on it, maybe Cersei? Especially when it talks of her chasing something that she can never seem to catch. It's almost as if she is showing Cersei's personality outwardly in her appearance. Or maybe I just need to read through it again...
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    I think I'm more inclined to go along with your alternative interpretation as well. It seems that there are a lot of dualities and equal but opposites in our story. The Shadowlands beyond Asshai and the Curtain of Light. The Land of Always Summer and the Land of Always Winter, Valyria and Hardhome. Makes me wonder.... It seems pretty clear that the Shadowlands are lands poisoned by magic. So are the Sorrows. Does that mean that's what happened with Valyria, with Hardhome, with the area beyond the Curtain of Light? And what was the purpose of using enough magic that it poisoned the environment? Immortality?
  3. @Feather Crystal I'm really having a hard time getting a grip on this one. It feels like there's something there in the descriptions of the Sand Snakes that should be giving me something, but I can't seem to put my finger on it. The only thing that really jumped out at me was the description of Maester Caleotte being "bald as an egg." Well, that and all of the bird imagery. Doran needing to fly to get to the throne room. Nym uttering the Fowler's words about soaring.
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    Which then leads to the opposing idea. If the Valyrians are now transformed into immortal demons of fire, just like Mel is flesh turning fire, then are the Others humans transformed into immortal demons of ice? Was Valyria the end result of that transformation? Are we looking at an equal but opposite cataclysm in the North?
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    Well, yes, that's somewhat my point. The other elements are equal but opposite, but they also appear to be representative of different types of known magic.We know that the CotF practiced earth magic. We know that the Rhoynar practiced water magic. The Valyrians practiced fire magic. We suspect the Others have something to do with ice magic. It seems rather exclusionary, when looking at that oath to conclude that four of the six have something to do with magic, but to not consider that the other two might as well.
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    At least that the importance of Iron as a ward can't be dismissed. Not only do we have the iron swords guarding the Stark tombs, the tunnels through the Wall are also gated with iron bars. Seems to me that iron might have the capacity to block any spirit from roaming and quite possibly protect against it's use or sacrifice in working magic. As an opposing equivalent, I think that bronze is a ward or protection against the use of blood in magic. Think of the bronze blade that MMD uses to sacrifice the horse in order to "heal" Drogo. Or even the fact that the bronze sickle is used for the execution of the man that Bran sees in front of the Winterfell heart tree. Bronze and iron are the metals that protect against Winter. They are part of the Reeds oath right along with Ice and Fire and Earth and Water. There's a reason that we see them referred to together and in the capacity that they are, or at least I believe that there is.
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    Well, really the only options that ever made any sense for that dragonglass were either Benjen or Coldhands. I could see Ghost getting more drawn in and leading Jon to that cache if it was Benjen. Someone that he was familiar with and knew had Jon's best interests at heart. That also might help to make some sense as to why Benjen was accepting of taking Jon back to the wall with him. If after talking to Ned it made a piece of the puzzle click for him, and he realized that he would be going off on a mission he might not return from he might have wanted to have someone else at the Wall that the rest of the Starks might be more likely to believe a strange tale from. He was also quite adamant that Jon not come with him beyond the wall. (Or it might just be late at night when I should really be sleeping.)
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    That is an interesting question. What is it that the CotF have that could be of value to the men of the NW? You don't bother to trade with someone unless they have something that you consider to be of value.
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    But, is Sam actually saying that they were occasionally sighted? I took it more as Sam saying that they were mentioned. It could be that they were only mentioned in relation to the dragonglass that the CotF were providing. It could have been they were mentioned in relation to continued "what if" defenses. i.e.We need to continue the tradition of burning bodies in case they ever return or keep dragonglass on hand just in case, etc. I guess what I'm saying is that we really don't know for sure what the context was of them being mentioned. Sam never gets that far. I'm not saying that there might not have been some that existed, just that they were limited enough in threat and or sighting for them to become something of a legend and become disregarded as a made up tale, just like Tyrion's merlings.
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    But where exactly do we hear that they are white shadows being glimpsed in the woods on occasion? There's only that one instance when Mormont is talking to Tyrion that he actually mentions it. And as was already noted, we can't be sure if Mormont is actually making light of the comment or if he's just not sure that it comes from a reliable source. Obviously the man has some concerns or he wouldn't have brought it up at all. Maybe under normal circumstances this is a comment that he would have just taken as superstitious nonsense coming from a lesser person. (Just like Tyrion's merpeople sightings) However, if he combines that strange knowledge with the other things he mentions, it only then starts to add up to a potential problem. We also don't know for sure what Benjen does and does not mention to Ned at his visit to Winterfell. It's not like they show any detailed conversation between the two of them. Benjen might very well have passed on those concerns and Ned just didn't take them very seriously. Or maybe he didn't. The thing is, again, we don't know for sure. I agree with @Matthew. that it really doesn't make a whole lot of sense for all of this to be treated with such skepticism if there was evidence of the ww being routinely sighted. Something was stopping more ww from being created. I don't know for sure what that was, but I do believe that whatever it might have been, it isn't happening anymore.
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    Although I do agree with what your saying that it's entirely possible that he's just trying to say that the lists and what we think we know are unreliable, I'm looking more at the end words that he's using. Based on that list he's saying that it would suggest that the list was written during... During what? John says long ago, but what specific time long ago? And why would he bother to bring it up if there wasn't evidence that it was NOT written during the time frame that he anticipated? All I'm trying to say is that we don't know for sure if it was written before or after the time period that it would make sense to be written in. For that matter, maybe it really didn't have anything to do with the timing of the list and more to do with what exactly was occurring at the time it was written. Since he never reveals the exact timing we have no clue as to the concurrent events of that time frame either.
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    Is he trying to calculate that? Or is it possible that it's actually recorded when it was written? (Even though Sam doesn't specifically mention this) That when it was written might not match up to the time when it should have been written in order to contain that many names? What if the list was actually written earlier than anticipated and already had that many LC listed. Could there actually be more than 998?
  13. Too bad they don't make something like that for your back, right? That would probably depend on what exactly a white walker is, wouldn't it? Is it really the old gods making the white walkers or is it something else? I've been bouncing the idea that the ww are just an immortal body for a greenseer in my mind now. What if this is something that really can just be accomplished through the use of magic? Is it possible that the method was somewhat lost in time, just like the making of Valyrian steel, but somehow came to the surface again recently? Nice call. This also makes me think of Tyrion almost drowning before JonCon rescues him when he's attacked by the stone men going under the bridge of dreams. Another funny coincidence with that one. What happens to both Davos and Tyrion soon after they are rescued from drowning. Both are imprisoned in some manner. Davos is sent to the cells in Dragonstone for his plan to murder Melisandre. Tyrion is captured by Jorah Mormont. I loved that show! I remember that episode. For years that was how I remembered the difference between the abbreviations for silver and gold! This is great! Have you considered the idea that instead of this being different metaphors for the exact same thing that it might instead be the markings of three different potential groups related to the different magics? You have what happened with Patchface (fool), which is very similar to what happens on the Iron Islands and also what happens on the Rhoyne with the stone men resulting from the water magic. But you also have the people that are working a type of earth magic. I think that this might have some sort of connection to all of these things in the water/ the mermaids old ones, etc. If you think about it, we also have the Crannogmen (men) from the neck poisoning everyone and winding up with everyone losing water, ie diarrhea, just like what happens in Essos with the Pale Mare. Then we have some sort of combination air/blood/spirit thing. (bird) Think about the ww seeming to almost form from the air, or the butterfly illness in Nath that is airborne, but people end up sweating blood. I know this all probably sounds like crazy rambling. It's really difficult to put into words. I just really think that everything that we're looking at might not necessarily be exactly the same, but all just a little different version of it. There is definitely a ton of foreshadowing for that avalanche. It would make a ton of sense for Sweet Robin to be either one of the victims or it be a close call. I can see what you're saying about the snow, but in the same token, he isn't really tied to the water, but rather the air and birds. Maybe this might be a different type of resurrection?
  14. Just finished looking through the chapter. I'm not sure that I have a lot of great ideas and probably need to look at it again, but I might just ramble here for a minute or two. The only thing that keeps popping into mind when I see that nine are the nine weirwood trees that stand in a circle in the grove where Jon says his Night's Watch Vows. The Greyjoy nine are all dedicated to the Drowned God. Were there at one time nine Starks/others that were dedicated to the Old Gods? Another bizarre notion. Those nine children came from three different wives. Could this also be referring to three different families? Most notably a combination of the Starks, Baratheons and Arryns? In the older generation there just so happen to be 3 Baratheon Brothers, 4 Stark siblings with the inclusion of Lyanna and one Arryn. They all end up as family by marriage or fostering bonds. As to the last bolded, originally I was thinking the same thing. I wonder though. Is it that Damphair is excluding Euron, or more that he is only considering the brothers that have already died? The two older brothers that he didn't know and Harlon would make up the four that he is referring to along with himself before he adds Urri. Another kind of strange notion... Could this actually be comparing him to Lyanna? The only girl of that Stark, Baratheon, Arryn generation? Where are her bones? She's dead, but have they made her strong. Is she dedicated to the Old Gods? Maybe a Greenseer? The followers of the drowned god carry driftwood cudgels. Do the followers of the old gods carry weirwood swords? Now this brings to mind the Dothraki. But I have no idea where if anywhere to go with that idea. Could look at this one two rather crazy ways... In inverse, Brandon Stark became a god and was murdered by a jealous king in order to bring the storm. Or in a more traditional echo was it Robert that became a King and and was just murdered by a jealous wife? Just as Joffrey sits the Iron throne instead of the actual heir Stannis? (Interesting in noting this, that Stannis also kills Renley who wrongly challenges his claim to the throne.) Or maybe its just as Aegon II sits the iron throne as opposed to Rhaenyra the true heir? This is also strangely reminiscent of what happens to Victarion before he is healed by Moquorro. Or if you wnat to push it an inversion to Jaime losing his hand as well Again, to further the idea that there is some sort of inversion between Lyanna and Aeron, here it was the Baratheons that cut him in half and imprisoned him in the bowels of Casterly Rock. Did someone, maybe Rhaegar Tararyen release Lyanna from the Bowels of Casterly Rock? She spent the rest of the war running around free?