Lady Dyanna

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  1. Controversial as it might be, it seems like maybe this is the time to recall what is said about the Wall and the Watch from our in world history book...
  2. I’m not sure that you even need to go that far. If the Night’s Watch as an entity was formed during the Long Night, but the Wall itself didn’t come until after the Battle for the Dawn was won, I’d imagine that there might be a lot of walls that someone was required to watch.
  3. But, just to play devil’s advocate here, if BR was causing a time loop similar to that in Dr. Strange, then wouldn’t it contain the same characters over and over again? It would be the people that should be looping and not their actions.
  4. Or, you know, the blocks themselves could just grow...
  5. I’m not sure if Night’s King was forced down a well or not, but as far as being imprisoned there, the idea makes quite a bit of sense. If we follow the chronology that has been laid out for us, then the Wall was not built until after the end of the Long Night. However, we’re not given a date for when the Nightfort itself was constructed. That makes me wonder if, in fact, it might actually pre-date the Wall itself? It’s interesting to me that we have a Long Night, a building named the Nightfort, a force called the Night’s Watch and a character named Night’s King. (BTW. Something that struck me while looking at quotes. He’s always referred to as just plain Night’s King without a “the” in front of it.) It seems like they all should originate at the same time, no? But if they came first and the Wall came later, then why? And why so big? I would think that one reason you might need to build something so tall might be to contain something under it. Could that something be the Black Gate, with Night’s King imprisoned? I’d want to bury that under a whole lot of something myself. And if that’s the case, that weirwood sapling might not bode well at all. The only other rational reason that I can see for building such a huge structure would be to contain something that has the potential to be as equally huge. Maybe a whole lot of reflected light and burning cold that’s been contained beyond the Curtain of Light that’s been left as a remnant of Magical Waste?
  6. Well, yes, but I would assume that Jon’s primary concern was this: If there was a huge oak door there before, as long as it was standing it shouldn’t be letting in any light. Once he saw the light, I would assume that he knew that the door had been breached.
  7. @wolfmaid7 Quote from prior thread: Exactly! I never thought about it this way, but it makes a whole lot of sense. If we look at things by that definition it becomes easier to identify those with similar talents within each of the elements. My only problem with what you’re saying is Dany. My gut tells me that you are correct in the assumption that she has this talent, but we haven’t seen her use it as of yet, at least not outside of dreams, have we? Do we actually count what she experienced at the HotU? It seems like she was given assistance with that. Even Stannis is able to read the flames with Mel’s assistance.
  8. I’m just going to put this quote here until I get the chance to come back to it. I have some half formed ideas spinning around my nearly empty head but they aren’t quite coming together as of yet. “On the crown of the hill four-and-forty monstrous stone ribs rose from the earth like the trunks of great pale trees. The sight made Aeron’s heart beat faster. Nagga had been the first sea dragon, the mightiest ever to rise from the waves. She fed on krakens and leviathans and drowned whole islands in her wrath, yet the Grey King had slain her and the Drowned God had changed her bones to stone so that men might never cease to wonder at the courage of the first of kings. Nagga’s ribs became the beams and pillars of his longhall, just as her jaws became his throne. For a thousand years and seven he reigned here, Aeron recalled. Here he took his mermaid wife and planned his wars against the Storm God. From here he ruled both stone and salt, wearing robes of woven seaweed and a tall pale crown made from Nagga’s teeth. But that was in the dawn of days, when mighty men still dwelt on earth and sea. The hall had been warmed by Nagga’s living fire, which the Grey King had made his thrall. On its walls hung tapestries woven from silver seaweed most pleasing to the eyes. The Grey King’s warriors had feasted on the bounty of the sea at a table in the shape of a great starfish, whilst seated upon thrones carved from mother-of-pearl. Gone, all the glory gone. Men were smaller now. Their lives had grown short. The Storm God drowned Nagga’s fire after the Grey King’s death, the chairs and tapestries had been stolen, the roof and walls had rotted away. Even the Grey King’s great throne of fangs had been swallowed by the sea. Only Nagga’s bones endured to remind the ironborn of all the wonder that had been.” And while I’m at it, I might as well add this one for reference... “Across rain-sodden fields and stony ridges, she could see the great castle of Storm’s End rearing up against the sky, its back to the unseen sea. Beneath that mass of pale grey stone, the encircling army of Lord Stannis Baratheon looked as small and insignificant as mice with banners. The songs said that Storm’s End had been raised in ancient days by Durran, the first Storm King, who had won the love of the fair Elenei, daughter of the sea god and the goddess of the wind. On the night of their wedding, Elenei had yielded her maidenhood to a mortal’s love and thus doomed herself to a mortal’s death, and her grieving parents had unleashed their wrath and sent the winds and waters to batter down Durran’s hold. His friends and brothers and wedding guests were crushed beneath collapsing walls or blown out to sea, but Elenei sheltered Durran within her arms so he took no harm, and when the dawn came at last he declared war upon the gods and vowed to rebuild. Five more castles he built, each larger and stronger than the last, only to see them smashed asunder when the gale winds came howling up Shipbreaker Bay, driving great walls of water before them. His lords pleaded with him to build inland; his priests told him he must placate the gods by giving Elenei back to the sea; even his smallfolk begged him to relent. Durran would have none of it. A seventh castle he raised, most massive of all. Some said the children of the forest helped him build it, shaping the stones with magic; others claimed that a small boy told him what he must do, a boy who would grow to be Bran the Builder. No matter how the tale was told, the end was the same. Though the angry gods threw storm after storm against it, the seventh castle stood defiant, and Durran Godsgrief and fair Elenei dwelt there together until the end of their days. Gods do not forget, and still the gales came raging up the narrow sea. Yet Storm’s End endured, through centuries and tens of centuries, a castle like no other. Its great curtain wall was a hundred feet high, unbroken by arrow slit or postern, everywhere rounded, curving, smooth, its stones fit so cunningly together that nowhere was crevice nor angle nor gap by which the wind might enter. That wall was said to be forty feet thick at its narrowest, and near eighty on the seaward face, a double course of stones with an inner core of sand and rubble. Within that mighty bulwark, the kitchens and stables and yards sheltered safe from wind and wave. Of towers, there was but one, a colossal drum tower, windowless where it faced the sea, so large that it was granary and barracks and feast hall and lord’s dwelling all in one, crowned by massive battlements that made it look from afar like a spiked fist atop an upthrust arm.”
  9. Gut instinct? I think she was a greenseer. And not just any greenseer. I think that she may well have been Night’s King’s 3EC. You all may think I’m nuts, but there’s a reason for the parallels between Bran’s coma dream and the overall story of Night’s King and his Queen. I was looking through @Sly Wren‘s theory on the Black Gate being Night’s King again last night and saw a comment by @LynnS that started me off on a bit of a tangent. She was speculating that the “blue flower growing from a chink in a wall of ice,” was actually the weirwood sapling that was growing by the well in the Night Fort. I think that she might be correct. What if, in order to stop him, and the magic, Night’s King (or at least his spirit) was entombed in a weirwood tree, one that formed the Black Gate. Then that weirwood was then encased in ice, oh, like as in a huge ass wall of ice to contain it. What happens when that weirwood tree eventually finds its way back to the surface? But why iron swords? Why not just burn the bodies? That’s what the Wildlings do. It certainly seems more foolproof. Anyone can remove an iron sword. Does something happen when Stark bodies are burned? Or is it just an attempt at preservation for any future need? Except... If power corrupts then absolute power corrupts absolutely. Not everyone might look at what happened to Night’s King as being a bad thing, and people rarely learn from the mistakes of others. What better way to eliminate the possibility of a recurrence than by wiping out all of the related knowledge.
  10. Or maybe the same person? At three different points in time? The transformation from leader, to greenseer, to ww, to Other, with increasing abuse of power along the way?
  11. Maybe. But the thing is, IF the Watch was formed during the Long Night, and IF the Others “swept over holdfasts and cities and kingdoms, felled heroes and armies by the score, riding their pale dead horses and leading hosts of the slain,” then I’m not sure how well that average life span of eight years might hold up under the circumstances. I’d imagine that there might, in fact, be a whole lot of untimely deaths around that time. Not to mention, think about the logic of the whole thing. A bare century after a nearly cataclysmic event some guy gets the idea to start the whole thing over again? Meanwhile after that nobody else bothers to do it for another 8,000 years? It just doesn’t make sense. And as for saying that the Nights King was sacrificing children and it had to be CotF because the Watch doesn’t marry, isn’t his Queen the one who supposedly got him in this mess to begin with? He could have been sacrificing his own children with her. I’m just not certain it’s as cut and dry as you’re making it sound. I don’t disagree that Duran Godsgrief was working some sort of magic, nor the Grey King. (Especially him with the whole burning tree thing.) I just don’t think that they were the only ones. Not to mention that there are “things in the water” that we have yet to account for.
  12. Except.... when exactly was the Night’s Watch founded? During the Long Night or after it? I’m pretty sure that there’s nothing that tells us that one way or the other. (Not that I couldn’t be wrong about that.) If it was created during the Long Night, it might not have taken very long to reach the 13th LC. Not to mention that with all of those 13s together, I’m going to guess that it’s more meant as a significant number rather than an actual one. Is there anyway to guarantee that the Night’s King did not in fact rule during the Long Night? If that’s the case, it could have been the Last Hero and the remaining Starks that overthrew him and at the same time ended the Long Night, making the Starks both villain and hero. Because honestly, we don’t know for sure what the original purpose of the wall was meant to be, or even why the Wildlings wound up on the other side. The original purpose might well be lost to time. Currently in the story it shuts the Wildlings out, but that might be completely unrelated to its original purpose.
  13. Yes. Yes. I’m quite familiar with that. I believe that it might just fit. BTW, Any idea what happened to the DJ? I’m certain there has to be a Guster song that works with this.
  14. It would be an awfully bittersweet ending if we needed to watch the Starks that we came to love in their first life need to be exterminated in their second. Or if the Starks that are still alive need to choose between their family and the rest of humanity, wouldn’t it? Very true.
  15. I can’t think of anything concrete off the top of my head, but I do think that Old Nan’s suggestion that the Nights King was a Stark is a hint in that direction. Not to mention the parallels between Bran and the Nights King. I think that they may have done that as well. Just because one family member started the mess, it doesn’t mean that another couldn’t also end it. Not all family members agree on everything.