Byfort of Corfe

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  1. Better edited than the books. Look at books 4+5, pretty much just a colossal waste of time, they could have easily been condensed, with good editing, down to one book. And lets see, the series has Dany done with the East which was always a side story and moving to the west, the series has the rise of the Others for what is supposed to be the great showdown, where are they in the books? You claim that the last two seasons were all about the rise and fall of Ramsay, here I'll use your words, "laughable". Did you even watch the last two seasons? Oh and what is going on in book 5+6? The rise and probably subsequent fall of Euron and company, evidently with a ton of child abuse of various forms thrown in as backstory. Oh and chapter after chapter based on Sansa, excuse me "ALAYNE" and some bravo sierra with "Harry the Heir". Gee, isn't that intriguing? Here's the reality, the series is pushing to the end, GRRM isn't even close, in fact he's moving in the opposite direction.. Which is something he no doubt realizes and which is why I doubt he will ever write book 7 and I'm not sure that he finishes book 6.
  2. And maybe he's just sick of these characters and truly wants to move on to something he enjoys. Do you actually though expect him to come out and say it? As for me I'm okay with where it stands, nothing that I have seen from the advanced chapters of book 6 makes me want to read it.
  3. To me the major piece of news is that we may not see the finale of the series until 2019 or later. That's a long time to wait for 6 episodes.
  4. But do most show fans really have any idea who these people actually are? I still think that GRRM is sick and tired of ASOIAF and Dany and Sansa and Jon and LF and all the rest. He wants to, IMO, get as far away from them as possible. It's why I think we will never see book 7. And I'm okay with that.
  5. If you're looking for a major character I would bet on Sansa. My guess is based on the fact that while shooting went on for quite a while, Sophie Turner was photographed over and over in NYC and LA and London.
  6. Or the show is actually a tighter, better edited narrative. Simply put, whether there is a "second dance of dragons" or not it doesn't affect the end of the book or show, which is to finally tell us who wins "The Game of Thrones. And good lord, assuming GRRM actually will write 2 more books, which I really doubt, when is he going to put in two more wars? And if you want to talk about a mess of a story look at the books. Books 1-3, a logical progression of the story, then books 4+5, pretty much a waste of time, story lines that go nowhere, useless characters dropped into the story for no logical reason, just to leave a few chapters later, just as illogically.
  7. Mark Twain blamed the Civil War on the fact that too many Southerners were hooked on Sir Walter Scott's fiction, it's why the burning steamboat in Huckleberry Finn is named the Sir Walter Scott. Of course he was speaking about the "romantic notion of war" a notion that would lead to the deaths of some (this is the current estimate, higher than before) 750,000 soldiers.
  8. And while the South had success on Eastern Battlefields a quick look at the west shows the depths of Confederate Military disaster, a list of important battles from 1861-62 reveals: Wilson's Creek, Aug 1861- Confederate Victory Ft Henry Feb1862-Union Victory Ft Donelson Feb 1862- Union Victory Valverde Feb 1862- Confederate Victory Glorietta Pass Mar 1862-Confederate Tactical/Union Strategic Victory Pea Ridge Mar 1862-Union Victory Shiloh Apr 1862-Union Victory Corinth Apr-May 1862-Union Victory Island #10 Apr 1862-Union Victory Iuka Sept 1862-Union Victory Corinth Oct 1862-Union Victory Perryville Oct 1862-Confederate Tactical/Union Strategic Victory Stones River Dec 1862-Union Victory This is not a comprehensive list of all engagements fought but it is representative of the fighting. Note that the is almost constantly pushing deeper and deeper south. Many people have an "Eastern-centric" notion of the Civil War. There is also a line of thought, equally incorrect that the North only won because the weight of it's population and industrial might eventually crushed the South after the South had "taken " all the early battles. Now I have also limited it to 1861 and 62 on purpose, rather than going through the Tullahoma and Vicksburg Campaigns and beyond. There are almost no similarities between Robb's Rebellion, fought because of what the Lannisters had done to the Stark Family, and the American Civil War. Rather I believe that we should take GRRM at his word and accept what he has said that the inspiration for the Dynastic Struggles in Westeros is drawn primarily from the Wars of the Roses and other, similar Dynastic Wars in Medieval Europe.
  9. This, in the books the matter is open to debate, in the series it is quite obvious that BenJen is "playing the part" of Cold Hands. And I look for him to play a bigger part in the war with the others, as we now know that he was transformed by the Children of the Forest.
  10. I guess that my difference comes in the fact that while I think that GRRM is an above average writer and I enjoy much of his writing I don't feel that he is any more than that. Admittedly I don't read all that many fantasy stories but I certainly wouldn't put in him the class of Mary Stewart and her "Merlin" series or (admittedly not fantasy) Patrick O"Brian's Aubrey/Maturin series or C.S. Forrester's Hornblower books. And from what I have heard about the tales of abuse perpetrated by Euron on his younger brothers, well, I have zero interest in reading any of that.
  11. I agree, specifics in the show won't necessarily cross to the books, for example Tommen's suicide, Selmy's death, Stannis's death, etc. What we do know, apart from things like R+L=J are characters and story arcs in the books that don't matter. Aegon, fake or not won't matterin the end. Neither will Ramsay or Roose Bolton. Victarion doesn't matter either. The whole Dornish thing is basically a dead end. Margaery and Loras don't matter either. The Alayne part of Sansa's story is also a dead end, Harry the Heir doesn't figure into it. And all the Tyrion and Penny stuff doesn't matter. As someone who was first a book person some of this is good and some bad. I never cared for Euron and Victarion or for Dorne or Aegon, fake or not. The bad news is that means that whatever GRRM had cooked up for Illyrio and Varys as a grand conspiracy doesn't matter either. I was also curious about exactly what part Aegon was going to play (despite not really caring for the story line), after all Varys and Illyrio had gone to great lengths to protect Dany and yet here they have someone with a better claim than hers that they have been protecting all along. I was interested in Sansa as Alayne but more as being a protégé of Petyr's rather than the whole Harry the Hair thing that seems to play and important part in WoW. And I guess that it calls into question my buying and reading Books 6&7 as well.
  12. So Sansa watching as Ramsay dies isn't badass enough for you?
  13. So do people think that Caitlyn would have been the person who beheaded Tyron had she gotten him all the way to Winterfell?
  14. So she took off with a married man who already had two children and became his mistress and had his child. Yeah, that seems like a better option. Robert may not have been perfect for her but Rhaegar wasn't such a hot choice either. Robert's hatred of Targs and Rhaegar in particular stems from what Rhaegar does to Lyanna. I am always puzzled by people who read Rhaegar as the beau ideal of chivalry when he has chosen to abandon his two children and their mother to take up with another woman . He doesn't even have the courtesy to end their marriage, instead he embarrasses her by naming a girl that he never met before as his "Queen of Love and Beauty" in front of most of the nobility of Westeros. Yeah, sounds like a real gentleman to me. This is why I had hoped that GRRM and HBO would have done Robert's Rebellion, I have a feeling that had GRRM really delved into presenting Rhaegar we would have seen him for the two faced fraud he is. I always remember what Terry Jones said (and my studies have indicated) that when we think of the Knight in history we think he is best represented by Galahad or Lancelot when in reality he was a more like Tony Soprano. That's Rhaegar. And I think that we would have seen that Lyanna had more than a touch of Stockholm Syndrome.
  15. No but you have to admit that making a series from a best selling book or books is certainly easier than making one from a completely unkown commodity. And that divergence of the series from the books didn't happen (with minor differences, compositing characters, etc) until the series was well established. As for the "gritty realism" that came about because of the characters. If all that people cared about was CGI and the whiz bang effect "King Arthur Legend of the Sword" would have been a big hit. Which is true, GoT was lightning in a bottle and now they are trying to do it again. It will be very difficult to do, with a whole new cast and a whole new story. Too many folks think it's simple, "oh, we have this formula, we have nudity and swords and dragons, how can it lose?". I'm old enough to remember when "Excalibur" came out. Immediately we were inundated with sword and shield and sword and sandal movies. How many of them succeeded? Almost none. But there was a formula. You have "Band of Brothers" on HBO, a big hit, take the same great production people and make "The Pacific", respectable but nowhere near as big a hit. "Gladiator" is a big hit, let's make "Pompeii". Now as for me it took a while for GoT and ASOIAF to earn me as a fan. With a story that is basically disassociated from the current GoT they will have to earn me again. Sometimes it works. "Fargo" manages to do it withcompletely new casts and storylines every season but having said that it fails much more foten than it works. And yes, I doubt that we will ever know what exactly happened in phases of Robert's Rebellion. So I'll live without knowing that. I have more important things to worry about.
  16. CGI alone isn't going to make people watch. There will always be something better coming out. GoT succeeded because it had a large core audience of book readers and because GoT had characters that people cared about. Look, people are still talking about Hodor's sacrifice and Death. And why, because of the CGI? No, they cared because they cared about the character. Jaime's scene with Myrcella, Tyrion telling Dany about how he had given up on life, Jorah showing Dany his greyscale, Ned being executed Jon's reunion with Sansa, these scenes work because we care about the characters, not because of any CGI around them. Drama is character driven, always has been, always will be. And therein lies the problem for the projects as supposed. Unless you really pay attention to the forums and the like the characters from Westerosi "History" don't resonate. Oh sure, a lot of the GoT audience will tune in for the first or second episode but unless you give them more than dragons and blood (and here I'm going to commit the ultimate heresy, I don't think that the GoT dragons are all that spectacular particularly in the full light of day (for me the most effective scene with the Dragons was when Tyrion goes to unchain them. And even there most of the dragons are hidden in darkness which actually makes them scarier but what really makes the scene work is that we care of Tyrion is quick fried to a crackly crunch). I'm certainly not going to watch a show just because it has dragons just like people didn't go to see "King Arthur, Legend of the Sword" because it had magical Elephants. And also these "projects" really aren't going to be spinoffs. None of the characters from GoT will appear. A classic spinoff, like "Frazier" or "The Jeffersons" will take a character or two from a show and give them a show developed around them. That isn't going to happen here. And while some of the family names will remain the same pretty soon you run into the danger of people saying, yeah, they're Starks and Lannisters but I really don't know who they are. This has, IMO just become a dicey proposition because while it won't be a complete unknown quantity it will be close. This will be basing a project on an outline while GoT came from fully developed books. I know that HBO hires quality people but I do now think that far from this being a sure thing I think it has become a throw of the dice.
  17. Well, now we know that it's five, not four and that it won't be Robert's Rebellion or Dunc and Egg or a sequel. Personally this leaves me cold. I've always found the early "history" of Westeros to be pretty silly. And some of this will be a hard sell to regular fans, True, you'll have Starks and Targs and Lannisters but they won't be the ones that the audience is familiar with. That's going to be very hard for an audience to accept, having to get to know and root for all new characters. I know that HBO will go for quality people but without a strong thread to bring the audience together you will in many ways be starting from scratch. With the utter failure of the latest King Arthur movie I guess that we'll never see it but I would rather that HO tackled something new, like and adaptation of Mary Stewart's "Merlin" series of books rather than pursuing this.
  18. GRRM said that Dunc and Egg was nixed because shortly they would run into the same problem as currently exists with GoT, that being that the series would quickly outstrip the books and "series canon" would become more important than "book canon". That being said I have gone from being excited about this to just feeling "meh". I'm not interested in Aegon's Conquest or the Andals or any of that stuff. Personally I can't imagine anything duller than a series with Baelor the Blessed or Bran the Builder. And the knowledge that some of this will deal with Essos, well, I just hate the whole idea of Essos storylines. I know I'm in the minority here and for the folks who love these ideas great but as for me thank God for Westworld.
  19. Well we know what these projects aren't. They don't include Robert's Rebellion or Dunc and Egg or a sequel. And we know that according to GRRM there are 5 not 4 ideas under consideration. And that at least one of the ideas rests heavily on Essos. I guess that we'll have to wait and see. For my money I really don't have any great interest in "The Conquest" or Nymera or any of that stuff and Essos just bores the heck out of me..
  20. True, but I have a feeling that someday Sansa is going to let him know. But then again Sweetrobin is kind of the Fredo Corleone of Westeros.
  21. I agree in large part with this. Many of the released chapters so far show that, while the show is moving towards the stories conclusion by starting to bring storylines together, ASOIAF is still moving them apart. For example if Littlefinger and Alayne/Sansa are going to play major parts in the conclusion they have to get out of the Vale and this whole storyline of politics in the Vale. We have the whole coming War with the others to deal with. But the books seem to have Dany dealing with the Slavers (and really, how realistic is it that she can "end" slavery?) but at some point Mysa has to leave her children if she intends on ruling in Westeros. He has to settle Tyrion and Sansa's marital status otherwise this whole Sansa/Alayne story arc will just be a waste of ink. And there's the whole is Aegon fake or not to settle as well. I think that GRRM has realized that with his current story arcs and his level of detail in his writing that he isn't 2 books from the conclusion, he is more like 3 or 4. Now the series has, especially in S6, moved these arcs along in some cases not very elegantly, but they have set the major characters in place to drive for the conclusion. Short of having yet another Wedding Massacre (which I don't think that GRRM particularly wants to do) you're going to need a lot of ink to get from where we are to the end. And in many ways I think it's the writer's equivalent to being painted into a corner. I think the GRRM really wants to move on to other projects, I think that he is sick and tired of Euron and Victarion and Cersei and the High Sparrow and Jon and Sansa and Tyrion and Jaime and Sand Snakes and all the rest. He wants to write about Dunc and Egg and other things. And I can understand that. And if GRRM were to announce tomorrow, "hey, sorry but I'm done" I would be okay with that. Of course I can feel for people who don't have HBO but short of scrapping most of the storylines that we are pretty sure are in TWOW I really don't see Book 7 before 2025 and I'm not sure that it ends with Book 7. IIRC GRRM had originally intended that ASOIAF would be a 3 or 4 book series, his publishers wanted 7. And I think that some of the elements added to the story in Books 4&5 have brought GRRM to this point.
  22. If Renly legitimizes Edric then he has made Edric the heir to the throne, the son of Robert would hold precedence over either Himself (Renly) or Stannis, assuming that he can get enough people to believe that Joffrey is the son of Jaime, not Robert. Now he could still marry Margaery to Edric to make her Queen.
  23. True, Dany will have to do something really impressive to get the Dothraki to change their ways. After all Drogo wasn't going to free the slaves of his Khalasar no matter how much Dany wanted it. The women and children that Dany saved were basically made her property. And it brings in a bigger question, if Dany gets the Dothraki to follow her to Westeros what will that be like? The Dothraki way of war is based on enslaving the beaten, raping the women and pretty much destroying everything else. The Dothraki raid, they do not conquer. Nothing would unite the military power of Westeros faster than a dothraki horde in their midst. And how many people will welcome Dany with open arms after her army has burned them out, taken all their possessions, killed anyone who has stood against them, raped and enslaved everyone else? After generations of the Dothraki doing this I think it will take more than Dany's wishes to turn them around. But having said that add me to the list of those sick and tired of Meereen and Astapor and Slaver's Bay, get Dany moving back to Westeros.
  24. Studying Medieval Castles and strongholds shows that very few didn't have a "secret" way in and out. It kept the King/Lord from being trapped by a siege. It also allows for the occasional small force to show up behind the siege lines to spread whatever havoc they can. I would be very surprised if GRRM wouldn't have "built" one of these into Winterfell. BTW I'm curious about the Moat. I don't remember reading that it was flooded, maybe I missed it. But very few castle moats were flooded. More properly they were known as mottes, which were generally the ditches dug to provide an earthen foundation for the castle or fortification.
  25. I wholeheartedly agree. GRRM has created an entire World, complete with history. There are so many things in the backstories that so many people want to see. What was so special about Rhaegar that he could even melt Cersei's heart? What was Robert like when he was a young, handsome, powerful man, that he could get so many to follow him? What was Oberyn like as a young man, travelling the world as a soldier of fortune? I would also like to see what happens after the great war with the others.