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  1. And I think you're overrating the consequences of this act. Whether the Tully would approved it or not is a thing, whether Brandon's act would be enough to irrevocably broke ties is another thing and I disagree with that notion. As I already mentioned in my previous post Lord Rickard would have to deal with Hoster if the man was so "offended" and could convince him that Brandon's act was to be put on the account of youth. After all would it be so surprising that a young "knight" such as Brandon got briefly smitten by a beautiful maiden at a Tourney and decided during the euphory of his victor to crown her ? Especially a northern who isn't used to that kind of events (full of beautiful young maiden) and so could easily be charmed (or rather influenced) by the romantic mood ? By the way how many times did Brandon and Cat see each others throughout the years they were betrothed ? They barely know each other at that point (year 281), and on top of that she isn't even present at the Great Tourney organized by her vassal and mother's House (as many pointed out) who happened to gathers the most important figures of the realm. Which led to the question all must have wondered, why ? How is that even possible when even her northern betrothed is there ?
  2. No I don't think so, I do think that Lord Rickard might have to insist with him on putting Brandon's act on the account of the youth, a young gallant fool who's just won the first -southern- tourney he's taken part in (something that is important) who also happened to be the biggest one the 7 kingdoms have seen for decades. On his side Brandon could give Cat some sweet talk if needed, otherwise I can't see it turning into something that can't be dealt between the two families. That's an interesting theory that definitely deserved some thoughts. Personally I don't approve it, I mean from what we heard from Barbrey, Brandon was never shy in taking what he wanted meaning had he been attracted by Ashara Dayne he would surely have make a move. That's why I feel him going at Ashara after his loss to get back at Rhaegar would be a bit out of character. Also Ashara was Ashara was a lady-in-waiting to Princess Elia was had been the one shamed by Rhaegar's move the most. It wouldn't be Rhaegar but Elia he attacked even though Arthur was closed to Rhaegar, unless he had something against Arthur Dayne it would be rather stupid. I think Brandon and Ashara had an affair at some point at Harrenhall which turned bad when it was revealed she was pregnant. Now I wonder if she was mourning him at his death and if she killed herserf because of that and all the death she suffered (Arthur, Elia...).
  3. But whether it's better to crown his sister rather than Ashara is not the point, I don't even think he would have crowned Arthur's sister as I don't think he was particularly attached to her (anymore than Barbrey for example). However if he did, people would speak of it as the Stark heir getting momentarily smitten by some beautiful maiden, nothing else since there would offically be nothing else to say. Now after her pregnant state would be revealed, yeah there would obviously be a scandal but that's another story. I admit I laughed at the bolded, what else ? Should Brandon "the Gallant fool" be burned alive in front of Cat so the Tully who weren't even present could be satisfied ? Don't know what kind of scenario you pulled but if Brandon had crowned Ashara it would mean that he won the tourney and then there would be no reason to assume Rhaegar was the one "kidnapping" Lyanna if it still happens by the way...
  4. Who said so ? Still doesn't see your scandal. Brandon crowning Ashara wouldn't be taken at offense by anyone, just a young man (not even married) rewarding a young maiden for her "oustanding" beauty, nothing unusual, especially at a tourney.
  5. I disagree with your wording here, you seem to imply that Brandon crowning Ashara would be as much a scandal as Rhaegar crowning Lyanna was. How would it be ? Brandon wouldn't offend anyone since his betrothed wasn't even present and as far as we know Ashara wasn't promised to anyone. In brief the situation had absolutely nothing to do with what happened between Rhaegar and Lyanna. I think I don't have to remind you the event but actually the fool managed to slight three party at once that day. No wonder the scandal it stirred and then how he got smashed by his own cousin.
  6. What is your opinion on the relationship between Brandon and Robert, another potential "rival" (handsome, great warrior, alpha persona...) ?
  7. I read your theory and there are some things I need to clear out, what is Ashara's role in it ? I mean what was she supposed to accomplished in the first place ? Also I don't get your wording. Was she dishonored when she willingly slept with an widely known betrothed man ? If that's so I have to disagree, the dishonor occured (yeah that's kind of hypocritical) when it was known that she was a unmarried pregnant lady, before that I'm not even sure it was known she had had sexual intercourses at Harrenhal. At any rate very few were aware of her affair (that's how I view it) with elder Stark even years later.
  8. And the heads of his uncles were should they be ? Robert would be king thanks to his uncle and Jon arryn so where would their head be laid ? Nor I think he would be able to achieve half the things you claim he would actually. Jon wouldn't have to fight, unlike what you might think there are many ways to deal with problems without warring, and Jon wouldn't raised an army against his foster son for the sake of Hoster Tully, he would either try to appease both party with Hoster or just stand aside. Besides Brandon Stark would have to explain why he suddenly wants a Targaryien as a King when he conpletely hated them before the war. I doubt his hypocrisy would pass among the Lords. North can do whatever they want with Jon (Snow) but he has no claim on the throne since Robert killed Rhaegar and the Houses Lannister, Arryn, Tully and Tyrells bent the knee. Brandon Stark can be as envious as he wants and endangered his nephew's life by jealousy that's his own problem. When war will come out if it ever comes out he will get smashed by Robert's hammer like the losers he was. Martells didn't follow the Targaryen willingly they were blackmailed by Aerys with the lives of Elia and her childrens. If they truly want a Targaryen on the throne, they will chose Viserys and try to have him marry to Arianne. They will certainly not help the Starks to take what they lost because of them. Actually the most likely end game of that fanfiction would be the end of the the Iron Throne and the return to 7 Kingdoms as it was before the conquest of Aegon I.
  9. Firstly Robert isn't married to the Lannisters and you will excuse me if I find laugable the idea Jon Arryn will side with the Stark against Robert because he happened to be tied with 'an unwilling already deflowered girl' he barely know... Yeah sure he will side against Robert for her sake. Secondly Robert never asked for the children's death even though he was secretly glad it happened, don't see why it would be any different with the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna. Despite his hatred for the child he knew how despicable the action would be. Now I don't know how it changes your scenario but the thing is clear Brandon is the one pushing for a war instead of trying to appease the realm so let's see who won't fight for him after learning the truth behind it. The Lannisters wouldn't they have nothing to win, quite the contrary actually. The Tully would rather try to appease rather than fighting a war they could easily avoid, besides they don't have all the Riverland lords with them which could end very badly for them. Jon wouldn't betray Robert and fight another war for that greedy backstabber bloodlust. Dorne is a non-factor here, they will certainly not fight for that child who is the proof of Rhaegar's humiliation of Elia and Dorne. Besides the Starks sounds like backstabber that planned it all since the beginning. The Tyrell don't have anything to win by fighting for the Stark, if they wanted a Targaryien King, they could have it with Viserys. In all case all of this is fanfiction since I don't see Brandon or the North fighting a war for the Iron Throne so yeah no war and Robert is still the King. You should accept the story as it is.
  10. Rhaegar is the one living close enough to Aerys to witness of his mandness and his inability to rule, he is the one who is in a tense relationship with his father and the most likely at risk at the time of the tourney of Harrenhall. Besides Aerys wasn't his priority since he thought it was a good idea to run off with Lyanna before even ending what he had begun, dealing with his father.
  11. Another fanfiction thread in which the all world from the North to Dorne is supposed to hate Robert... Ok, so this is basically the story of overly ambitious men who fought to dethrone the Targaryiens along sides families Baratheons, Arryns (and later Lannisters) killing in the process Aerys, Rhaegar and his children with his wife, forcing the young prince Viserys (who by all appearance should have been king) and baby Daenerys to leave their homeland until the moment they find out -the prince they hated so much- had a illegitimate child conveniently bearing Starks' blood and decide that they don't care anymore if his only legitimity on the throne is his Targaryen's blood that they wiped out few days earlier. The level of treachery is strong here but I wonder what is the most funny, the idea that people actually believe any lords would listen to the North after this or the idea that northerners would be shameless enough to pull such a disgraceful action.
  12. No need to rewrite the story, Rhaegar didn't do anything to remove Aerys, actually he only made the situation worse. Intents doesn't equal actions. As for the others lords, I fail to see how they could have acted in any way without a strong alliance covering them such as the STAB (which might have been the purpose of all those betrothals).
  13. When you think most of those informations were free for the last four years...
  14. Well I think you know the answer, it allowed him to protect Lyanna's honour (per se House Stark's honour) because her being the poor kidnapped lady sounded better than the wild daughter who broked her betrothal to ran off with a married man causing de facto the deaths of thousands. Besides, why would Ned try to protect Rhaegar's honour ? It's not as though Rhaegar ever cared about how Ned's family honour tarnished once the affair would be exposed.
  15. Firstly I never said, I consider it to be true, I just couldn't understand Lord Varys reasoning. Now to respond to your question Aerys might have not trusted Dayne and Whent to be close to him and leave them under Rhaegar's command until the end of the war. The other possibility would be that they outright chose to obey Rhaegar over Aerys.